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The Powerful Connection Between Migraines and ADHD

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Migraines and ADHD are something I hear about a lot in my ADHD female community. I also relate to this from a personal perspective with one of my ADHD daughters suffering from migraines, as well as quite a few friends. Migraines can be a lifelong debilitating condition alongside the many other symptoms that come with them. Today's ADHD Women's Wellbeing Podcast episode explores the very powerful connection between migraines and neurodivergence in women with my guest, Diane Ducarme, the contemporary master of migraine investigation. Her unique approach combines the ancient wisdom of Traditional Chinese Medicine with cutting-edge technology to unearth the intricate root causes of migraines weaving on top of genetics. Diane’s relentless inquisitive mind for highly complex problems is what allows her to deliver life-transforming results, which is the fuel to her energy. What sets Diane apart is her emphasis on the power of functional foods. Unlike conventional approaches focusing on eliminating foods, Diane adds new elements to the equation. Her dedication to unravelling the mysteries of migraines has inspired a podcast, "Migraine Heroes," and her company, Nectar Health, is at the forefront of this remarkable journey towards migraine relief and wellness. On this episode, Kate and Diane speak about:

  • A digestive superfood that could help your migraines
  • The vagus nerve and the connection to migraines
  • Why migraines could be related to your ADHD
  • How your digestive system can hold the keys to health
  • The connection between your brain function and your food
  • The profound wisdom of Chinese traditional medicine
  • How Hormonal shifts affect your gut and brain
  • Having period cycles that can actually feel good
  • The effects of endometriosis on the digestive system
  • What chinese traditional medicine can teach you about ADHD
Transcript

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Helo pawb, cyn i ni ddechrau ar yr episod heddiw, roeddwn i eisiau rhannu gyda chi'r codi anodd arbennig rydw i wedi'i greu ar gyfer Cymdeithas Neurodiversi yn yr wythnos hon.

[00:12]

Felly mae gennym 20% o'r holl arian os ydych chi'n defnyddio'r codi ND Week 20. Dyma ND Week 20 ac mae hynny'n niferau.

[00:22]

Byddwch chi'n gallu gysylltu â'r holl arian i mi, gan gynnwys fy nherfys system arbennig newydd i'r cwrs.

[00:29]

Mae gennych hynny ar y diwrnodau karma, y cwrs audio, llawer o'r gweithgareddau arbennig.

[00:34]

Mae gen i hefyd llawer o arian gyfrif hefyd.

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Rydw i wedi cyflwyno fideo EFT arbennig a rheoli ADHD, a gallwch ei ddewis ar hyn o bryd. Mae'n am 5 neu 7 munud.

[00:46]

Mae'n ysgrifennu i chi sut i ddefnyddio EFT i helpu i ddewis a rheoli ar hyn o bryd pan fyddwch chi'n teimlo'n anhygoel neu'n anhygoel.

[00:54]

Gadewch i'n wefan, byddwch chi'n cael unrhyw gysylltiad o hormônau i'r RSD, i'r anxiaeth, i ddechrau i'ch pŵer, i ddewis i mewn i'r anhygoelau o'r ADHD.

[01:06]

Rydw i'n ceisio adeiladu'r gysylltiad hwn i chi, felly os ydych chi ar y diwrnod hwn o ddatblygu eich hun, os ydych chi'n arwain at diagnosiaeth, neu os ydych chi wedi cael diagnosiaeth a'ch teimlo'n anhygoel,

[01:16]

os ydych chi wedi cael diagnosiaeth a'ch teimlo'n anhygoel, rydw i'n creu'r ysgolion hyn, felly rydych chi'n gallu tyfu i mewn i gael y help, y cefnogaeth, y llawysgrifio,

[01:25]

ond ar hyn o bryd, nid ydyn ni'n cael llawer o'r gwasanaethau, yn enwedig yma yng Nghymru.

[01:30]

Felly mynd i'n wefan, sy'n adeiladu www.adhdwomenswellbeing.co.uk.

[01:34]

Rydyn ni'n cael y cod, yn ddiwedd 20, ac rydyn ni hefyd wedi cael llawer o ysgolion gwreiddiol.

[01:39]

Felly, gadewch i ni ddysgu amser heddiw.

[01:41]

Cymraeg i'r adroddiad adroddiadwy o adnoddwm ymddygiadwyr ADHD.

[01:45]

Fi yw Kate Moore-Yusuf, ac fi yw gyffredinwyr addysg a byddwys,

[01:49]

ymddiriedolaeth tyfu,

[01:51]

llawer o blaenau i'r mamau,

[01:52]

ac yn ffodus i helpu mwy o ddynion i ddeall a chael eu mhrif bryderau ADHD.

[01:59]

Ar ôl siarad ag llawer o ddynion, fel fi, ac efallai i chi,

[02:02]

rwy'n gwybod bod angen mwy o gefnogaeth a chymorth bywydol ar gyfer dynion newydd adnoddwyd gyda'r ADHD.

[02:08]

Yn y sgwrs hyn, byddwch chi'n ddysgu o gwestiynau sylfaenol,

[02:11]

clywed newydd ddynion a ddysgu amgylcheddau pwysig ac ymddygiadwyr bywydol

[02:15]

er mwyn eich bod chi'n byw eich bywyd mwy cyflawniadwy,

[02:18]

ymddygiadwy ac amgylcheddol,

[02:20]

bob le rydych chi ar eich ffwrdd ADHD.

[02:23]

Dyma'r episod heddiw.

[02:26]

Heddiw, rydyn ni'n siarad am rhywbeth rwy'n clywed,

[02:28]

llawer iawn, ac mae hynny'n amgylcheddau pwysig.

[02:31]

Rydw i wedi siarad amdano ar y podcast yn gyntaf,

[02:33]

ond rydyn ni ddim wedi mynd ymlaen i mewn i'w gwneud,

[02:35]

ac rydw i wedi ei ddysgu,

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ac rydw i wedi dod i mewn i gyfarwyddwr anhygoel

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sy'n helpu i ni ddeall pam y bydd amgylcheddau pwysig ychydig mwy,

[02:44]

rwy'n credu, i'r cymuned ADHD, yn enwedig ar gyfer dynion.

[02:47]

Felly, rwy'n eisiau cyhoeddi Diane Ducam,

[02:49]

ac mae hi'n gyfarwyddwr ar gyfer amgylcheddau,

[02:52]

yn enwedig, mae hi'n gyfarwyddwr ar gyfer amgylcheddau.

[02:56]

Ac mae ei ddewis unigol yn cyfathrebu'r gwyddoniaeth anhygoel

[02:59]

o wyddoniaeth Chymdeithasol Trafodol,

[03:01]

a fydd e'n clywed yn y sgwrs heddiw,

[03:03]

gyda'r technoleg cyffredinol

[03:05]

i ddatblygu'r rhan fwyaf o amgylcheddau

[03:07]

sy'n cael eu hysbysu ar gyfer genetig.

[03:10]

Mae Diane wedi'i ddysgu,

[03:11]

ac mae'n rhaid i ni ddysgu'r rhan fwyaf o amgylcheddau

[03:13]

o amgylcheddau sy'n cael eu hysbysu ar gyfer genetig.

[03:16]

Mae Diane'r meddwl anhygoel ac anhygoel

[03:18]

ar gyfer broblemau cyffredinol

[03:20]

yw'r hyn sy'n ei alluogi i ddarparu

[03:22]

y rhan fwyaf o amgylcheddau,

[03:24]

sy'n canolbwynt i'w energia.

[03:26]

A byddwch chi'n clywed o'r sgwrs hwn,

[03:28]

ei ffasiwn, ei gwybodaeth,

[03:30]

mae'n anhygoel.

[03:31]

Ychydig yn ôl hefyd.

[03:33]

Dwi ddim yn gobeithio rhannu'r episod hwn gyda chi,

[03:35]

felly os oes unrhyw un wedi mynd trwy hyn

[03:37]

eu bywyd eu bywyd,

[03:38]

a ddim yn eithaf ddeall

[03:40]

lle y gallai'r amgylcheddau hyn

[03:41]

gynhyrchu

[03:42]

a gallu cysylltu'r nodau

[03:44]

rhwng amgylcheddau a'r ADHD,

[03:45]

dyma'r episod

[03:47]

ar gyfer chi.

[03:48]

Dwi'n mynd i roi'r holl faterion

[03:50]

ynghylch yr adroddiadau hefyd.

[03:51]

Ac mae hefyd

[03:53]

podcast anhygoel

[03:55]

oherwydd mae hi'n ymddiriedol iawn

[03:56]

i ymgyrchu'r myfyrwyr hwn o'r amgylcheddau.

[03:58]

Felly mae'r podcast yn

[03:59]

Migraine Heroes

[04:01]

a mae'r cymdeithas yn ei hefyd yn ei gyflawni

[04:02]

Nexahelp,

[04:03]

sydd ar y pwynt

[04:04]

o'r ffordd anhygoel hwn

[04:05]

i'r gyrfa amgylchedd

[04:06]

ac i'r ddylunio.

[04:07]

Gadewch i ni alluogi'r podcast hon.

[04:09]

Felly, Diane,

[04:10]

diolch i chi i'r podcast.

[04:11]

Mae'n hyfryd i chi fod yma.

[04:13]

Dwi wedi bod yn edrych ar y cyfan hwn.

[04:15]

Dwi'n ddiddorol iawn

[04:16]

i gael y sgwrs hwn,

[04:18]

oherwydd dwi'n gwybod

[04:19]

bod llawer o ffyrwyr

[04:20]

rydw i'n gweithio gyda nhw

[04:21]

yn siarad gyda nhw

[04:22]

yn y cymuned,

[04:23]

ond hefyd, yn anhygoel,

[04:24]

maen nhw'n gwrando at y podcast hon

[04:25]

ac maen nhw'n gallu sylweddoli

[04:27]

llawer i

[04:28]

myfyrwyr gyda myfyrwyr.

[04:30]

Felly roeddwn i eisiau

[04:31]

gallu eich rhoi i chi

[04:32]

oherwydd dwi'n gwybod

[04:33]

eich bod chi'n gweithio gyda llawer o

[04:34]

clientau,

[04:35]

patientau gyda myfyrwyr.

[04:37]

Felly, a ydych chi'n gallu

[04:38]

ysgrifennu ychydig o

[04:48]

sylweddoli

[04:49]

nad ydyn nhw

[04:50]

ar eu hunain?

[04:54]

Yn siŵr.

[04:55]

Felly,

[04:56]

mae llawer o bobl

[04:57]

sy'n cael

[04:58]

ADHD

[04:59]

a myfyrwyr

[05:00]

yw mewn gwirionedd

[05:01]

ffyrdd o myfyrwyr

[05:02]

sy'n gallu dechrau

[05:03]

yn gyntaf.

[05:04]

Felly, dyma un

[05:05]

ffyrdd o fyfyrwyr

[05:06]

sy'n gallu dechrau yn

[05:07]

myfyrwyr.

[05:08]

Felly, mae 18%

[05:09]

o dynion

[05:10]

sy'n cael

[05:11]

myfyrwyr,

[05:12]

ond mae'n unig

[05:13]

5% o dynion,

[05:14]

dynion a dynion.

[05:15]

Ac pan mae

[05:16]

dynion neu dynion

[05:17]

yn dechrau cael myfyrwyr

[05:18]

yn gyntaf yn eu

[05:19]

blant,

[05:20]

yn aml,

[05:21]

mae'n ymwneud â

[05:22]

ADHD.

[05:23]

Nid yw'n golygu

[05:24]

eu bod ganddyn nhw

[05:25]

yn cael

[05:26]

ADHD ar hyn o bryd.

[05:27]

Mae'n golygu

[05:28]

y bydd y system

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sy'n ymwneud â

[05:30]

y ADHD

[05:31]

yn eu

[05:32]

axes gweithredol

[05:33]

yn dechrau

[05:34]

cael

[05:35]

ddifrif

[05:36]

ac mae'r tŷ yn

[05:37]

parhaus.

[05:38]

Felly, beth wnaeth

[05:39]

chi ei wneud

[05:40]

o ran

[05:41]

myfyrwyr?

[05:42]

Felly, beth fyddech chi'n

[05:43]

gwneud yn nesydd,

[05:44]

os yw rhywun yn dod i chi

[05:45]

gyda myfyrwyr,

[05:46]

myfyrwyr o'r rhan

[05:47]

o ADHD,

[05:48]

beth fyddai'r

[05:49]

rhan o ddiffrif

[05:50]

y byddech chi'n dechrau?

[05:51]

Ie.

[05:52]

Felly, rwy'n

[05:53]

cymryd pobl

[05:54]

ar y byd.

[05:55]

Rwy'n gysylltiedig

[05:56]

yn Neu Zymru,

[05:57]

ond rwy'n cymryd pobl

[05:58]

yn

[05:59]

pob gwyrdd,

[06:00]

yn gwirioneddol.

[06:02]

97 questions

[06:03]

that will

[06:04]

map together

[06:05]

all of the symptoms

[06:06]

going on.

[06:07]

So people will come to me

[06:08]

for migraines,

[06:09]

which are absolutely

[06:10]

debilitating,

[06:11]

and they're so

[06:12]

debilitating

[06:13]

and so omnipresent

[06:14]

and controlling

[06:15]

their life

[06:16]

that they

[06:17]

almost

[06:18]

forget

[06:19]

how much

[06:20]

else is going on.

[06:21]

And so what I'm doing

[06:22]

is I'm asking the body,

[06:23]

OK, what do you

[06:24]

have to say?

[06:25]

What do you want to

[06:26]

complain about?

[06:27]

Where does it hurt?

[06:28]

And so we talk about

[06:29]

it can be like

[06:30]

numbness in the sensation,

[06:31]

numbness in the arms,

[06:32]

inability to not

[06:33]

falling asleep,

[06:34]

waking up at night.

[06:35]

It can also be

[06:36]

having very painful

[06:37]

menstruation,

[06:38]

having a lot of

[06:39]

clots in menstruation.

[06:40]

Like, what are all of

[06:41]

the symptoms going on?

[06:43]

And from there,

[06:44]

then I meet with them

[06:45]

on Zoom,

[06:46]

and I have an hour,

[06:48]

up to three hours,

[06:50]

conversation

[06:51]

to just map

[06:52]

and explain to them

[06:53]

this is what is going

[06:54]

on in your body.

[06:55]

This is the domino effect

[06:56]

and why,

[06:57]

over life,

[06:58]

all of these

[06:59]

imbalances

[07:00]

built up.

[07:01]

And then that

[07:02]

person,

[07:03]

in that moment,

[07:04]

it can be a mother

[07:05]

with her daughter,

[07:06]

it can be a man,

[07:07]

it can be a grandma.

[07:08]

Like, they start to

[07:09]

understand

[07:10]

most of the time

[07:11]

for the first time

[07:12]

after they've seen

[07:13]

a lot of neurologists

[07:14]

and a lot of MRI

[07:15]

and a lot of GPs

[07:16]

and a lot of medications,

[07:18]

sometimes 40 years

[07:19]

of medications.

[07:20]

They're like,

[07:21]

oh my God,

[07:22]

finally,

[07:23]

I understand what's

[07:24]

going on.

[07:25]

And then what I do

[07:26]

is I put things on a nap

[07:27]

and I add foods

[07:28]

and I'm not trying

[07:29]

to emphasize

[07:30]

their triggers.

[07:31]

They know they have triggers.

[07:32]

I just inform them

[07:33]

of them in case

[07:34]

they missed a few.

[07:35]

And we'll talk about

[07:36]

some triggers for ADHD,

[07:37]

by the way,

[07:38]

you might be surprised about.

[07:39]

And so I'm just

[07:42]

adding the foods

[07:43]

and I'm repairing

[07:44]

two systems at a time.

[07:45]

And if that woman

[07:46]

has migraines

[07:47]

and ADHD,

[07:48]

then we will work

[07:49]

on the stomach

[07:50]

spleen system

[07:51]

because usually

[07:52]

it would be broken

[07:53]

and we work

[07:54]

directly on it.

[07:55]

But there's two

[07:56]

other pathways

[07:57]

that we can take.

[07:58]

We can also work

[07:59]

on the liver

[08:00]

and on dampness.

[08:01]

But we'll go

[08:02]

into those details

[08:03]

maybe later.

[08:04]

Okay.

[08:05]

So what age

[08:06]

would you say?

[08:08]

And I know

[08:09]

we talk about headaches,

[08:10]

but a migraine is different.

[08:12]

I know when you're

[08:13]

a migraine sufferer,

[08:14]

it's like a headache,

[08:15]

it's like a scrape

[08:16]

and a migraine

[08:17]

is like a severe,

[08:18]

like catastrophic bang.

[08:21]

Yes.

[08:22]

What age typically

[08:24]

do these migraines start?

[08:26]

They can start

[08:27]

any age.

[08:28]

For most people,

[08:29]

they will start,

[08:30]

for most women,

[08:31]

they will start

[08:32]

around puberty.

[08:33]

So in childhood,

[08:34]

it's 5% of boys and girls

[08:35]

because it's a genetic predisposition.

[08:37]

And then the incidence

[08:38]

is going to triple

[08:39]

to quadruple

[08:40]

for women

[08:41]

at puberty.

[08:42]

But it can start

[08:43]

also later in life,

[08:44]

up until I've seen women

[08:46]

having their first migraines

[08:47]

around 40.

[08:48]

Because there's

[08:49]

one to 40 genes

[08:50]

responsible for migraines.

[08:52]

The genetic intensity

[08:54]

on people

[08:55]

is different.

[08:56]

And then how much

[08:57]

they've pushed themselves

[08:58]

in life is also different.

[08:59]

And so usually,

[09:00]

the migraine will come as,

[09:01]

like you said,

[09:02]

something absolutely debilitating.

[09:05]

So really incapacitating them

[09:08]

to work,

[09:09]

to socialize,

[09:10]

to participate in life.

[09:11]

They're not dying,

[09:12]

but they're also not living.

[09:13]

So it's a horrendous,

[09:15]

a horrendous condition

[09:17]

that's going to put people

[09:18]

right in bed for days

[09:20]

and having to give up

[09:21]

a lot of their situations.

[09:23]

Very, very hard to go by.

[09:26]

And sometimes,

[09:28]

when I can see in people,

[09:30]

their root causes for migraines

[09:33]

and for ADHD

[09:34]

is exactly the same.

[09:36]

And this is what I'd love

[09:37]

to engage with you on today.

[09:39]

Yeah.

[09:40]

So tell me a little bit about that

[09:41]

because I'm, in my head,

[09:43]

I'm already starting to think

[09:44]

about certain people I know

[09:45]

who've suffered continuously

[09:47]

with migraines

[09:48]

and what I suspect.

[09:50]

What I notice

[09:52]

is definitely a nervous system

[09:55]

dysregulation going on.

[09:57]

But what I would love to ask you

[09:59]

is like, what are you noticing

[10:00]

those root causes

[10:01]

with ADHD and migraines?

[10:04]

So let's start with

[10:05]

three pools of people

[10:06]

that did their analysis

[10:07]

on this topic.

[10:08]

There's traditional Chinese

[10:10]

medicine doctors,

[10:11]

Western scientists,

[10:12]

and children.

[10:13]

Let's start with the Westerners.

[10:15]

In Western science,

[10:16]

we know about the Godwin axis

[10:18]

now for about 15 years

[10:20]

and we're passionate about it

[10:21]

and we realize how important

[10:23]

that axis is.

[10:24]

And it was quite revolutionary

[10:26]

because we always thought

[10:27]

the brain was commanding everything.

[10:28]

And now we were realizing,

[10:29]

okay, hold on.

[10:30]

It turns out I have neurons

[10:31]

in my guts too.

[10:32]

Now this was on the back

[10:33]

of finding the vagus nerve

[10:35]

in 1872,

[10:37]

which is this massive tree,

[10:38]

you're referring to nerves,

[10:39]

this massive tree in my body

[10:41]

that is going to plant its root

[10:43]

around each of my organs

[10:44]

inside my thorax.

[10:45]

It's going to plant its

[10:46]

around my stomach,

[10:47]

which we're going to talk about.

[10:48]

It's super important.

[10:50]

Around my liver,

[10:51]

around my small and large intestine.

[10:53]

And this massive nerve

[10:54]

is going to be the chief of orchestra

[10:57]

for the hundred billion nerve cells

[10:59]

in my body.

[11:00]

And it's going to go

[11:02]

as a big, big root

[11:03]

along my spine

[11:05]

and it's going to form

[11:06]

a trunk in my neck

[11:07]

and it's going to plug into my brain

[11:09]

a bit like a Tesla

[11:10]

with a lot of mystery.

[11:12]

And so from the Western perspective,

[11:15]

this is where we get

[11:16]

a little bit lost

[11:17]

is how does that massive cable

[11:19]

plug into the brain?

[11:21]

And so we start to try to do MRI

[11:23]

and observe what is Theo feeling

[11:26]

when he has a bit of ADHD?

[11:28]

How does his brain manifest?

[11:30]

But we do that from an MRI perspective.

[11:32]

And so from a Western science perspective,

[11:34]

we always thought

[11:35]

because of that vagus nerve

[11:36]

that was stubbed on,

[11:37]

now we realize it goes both ways.

[11:39]

And we understand a lot

[11:40]

but we have a few areas of unknown.

[11:43]

Traditional Chinese medicine doctors,

[11:45]

for them,

[11:46]

the gut-brain axis

[11:47]

is really, really old news

[11:48]

and the vagus nerve

[11:49]

has the foundation for acupuncture.

[11:51]

It's a very sort of old, old stuff.

[11:54]

And when you tell them,

[11:55]

oh, it's cutting edge,

[11:56]

they're like, no, it's not.

[11:58]

And if you really insist,

[11:59]

they're going to say, look,

[12:00]

have you looked at your body?

[12:01]

How could your brain

[12:02]

not be connected to your gut?

[12:04]

Of course it is.

[12:05]

And of course,

[12:06]

it's not a starting point

[12:07]

and an end point.

[12:08]

It needs to circulate.

[12:09]

So for them,

[12:11]

all of that notion

[12:12]

is really, really old

[12:14]

and a notion of a good microbiome.

[12:16]

There's a third group of people

[12:17]

who did their analysis

[12:18]

on the vagus nerve

[12:19]

and these are children.

[12:20]

And you have four of them

[12:21]

in your household,

[12:22]

if I'm not wrong.

[12:24]

Have you ever seen

[12:25]

one of your child

[12:26]

eat an ice cream super fast,

[12:28]

slap on their forehead,

[12:30]

and go brain freeze?

[12:31]

Yes.

[12:32]

Yes, okay.

[12:33]

And so the child

[12:34]

is going to make

[12:35]

this incredible discovery

[12:37]

which is super relevant to ADHD.

[12:39]

He's going to make the discovery

[12:41]

that if he or she

[12:42]

eats an ice cream super fast

[12:45]

and that ice cream

[12:46]

lands on their stomach,

[12:47]

which technically is down,

[12:49]

they're going to feel

[12:51]

the frozen of the ice

[12:52]

in their forehead.

[12:54]

And so they're going to make

[12:55]

the first connection

[12:56]

on their vagus nerve

[12:57]

and experience their vagus nerve

[12:59]

sending that frozen signal

[13:02]

to their forehead.

[13:03]

And in traditional Chinese medicine,

[13:05]

the vagus nerve

[13:06]

links the stomach spine

[13:08]

exactly to that forehead.

[13:10]

And this is the bed for ADHD.

[13:13]

So people who suffer

[13:15]

from a precursor of ADHD

[13:19]

coupled with migraine

[13:20]

and then can get exacerbated with life

[13:23]

will have more forehead migraines

[13:25]

and they will more have a tendency

[13:27]

to vomit when they have a migraine

[13:30]

as opposed to

[13:32]

top of the head migraines,

[13:33]

temple migraines,

[13:34]

behind the head migraines,

[13:35]

migraines moving along

[13:37]

the trigeminal nerve.

[13:38]

So here we're going to start

[13:40]

usually in the forehead

[13:41]

and with vomiting.

[13:43]

That's so interesting.

[13:45]

So you're saying the forehead

[13:47]

and the vomiting type of migraine

[13:48]

is more likely to be connected to ADHD?

[13:51]

Yes, more likely to be connected

[13:53]

to a system called the stomach spleen

[13:56]

in traditional Chinese medicine.

[13:58]

And that system

[14:00]

is linked to that part of the brain

[14:04]

which is just below the forehead.

[14:06]

And that part of the brain

[14:07]

allows us to control our thoughts

[14:10]

and not go into overthinking mode,

[14:12]

not zap too fast

[14:14]

and also allows us

[14:16]

to fall asleep easily

[14:18]

but also to muscle easily.

[14:21]

So you see,

[14:22]

I speak seven languages

[14:24]

and it's almost like I speak two.

[14:25]

I speak West

[14:27]

and in West if you say stomach

[14:28]

you mean that little part

[14:30]

that welcomes the food first

[14:32]

in your body.

[14:33]

That's just what you mean.

[14:34]

But if you say pee way in Mandarin

[14:37]

you actually don't mean that.

[14:39]

You mean the ability, yes,

[14:41]

to have digestive enzymes

[14:42]

and to break down your food.

[14:43]

But you also mean

[14:45]

the ability to focus

[14:47]

and concentrate your thoughts,

[14:48]

to fall asleep,

[14:50]

to digest well,

[14:51]

but also to extract

[14:53]

really small substances in food

[14:56]

to benefit parts of your body in particular.

[14:59]

So the ability to be really, really firm

[15:02]

in your skin

[15:03]

and also to nourish your kidney system

[15:06]

who is in charge of stress.

[15:09]

And so if you have

[15:11]

those gastric juices,

[15:13]

that stomach's been weak

[15:14]

for a number of years,

[15:16]

your ability to extract

[15:18]

these really fine nutrients

[15:19]

is going to be depleted

[15:21]

and over time

[15:22]

your kidney system

[15:24]

who's in charge of many things,

[15:25]

namely ovulation,

[15:27]

but also stress,

[15:28]

resilience to really large diseases

[15:30]

is going to over the years

[15:32]

become depleted.

[15:33]

And so the more you're going to have

[15:35]

that imbalance of the stomach screen

[15:36]

which is going to lead over time to ADHD,

[15:38]

the more your kidney system

[15:40]

is going to be weak

[15:41]

and you're going to be prone to stress.

[15:43]

And the more you're going to be

[15:44]

prone to stress,

[15:45]

the more you will be stressed.

[15:46]

The more you will be stressed,

[15:47]

the more your kidney system

[15:48]

is going to be weak

[15:49]

and the more that kidney system is weak,

[15:51]

the more you're stressed.

[15:52]

Does that make sense?

[15:53]

So there's interdependencies

[15:56]

among all different systems.

[15:59]

And this is something

[16:00]

that we really fail to understand

[16:03]

in our allopathic medicine.

[16:05]

We look at organs

[16:07]

such as if they were

[16:08]

forming their own music

[16:10]

without having an orchestra.

[16:13]

And so once my stomach screen system

[16:16]

is weak,

[16:17]

I'm going to have a domino effect

[16:19]

that's going to go on in my body

[16:21]

that's going to make me have

[16:23]

more and more symptoms over time.

[16:25]

And so ADHD is going to be one of them.

[16:28]

But if it's not addressed properly

[16:30]

and if people don't take

[16:32]

the active engagement

[16:33]

and learn on your podcast

[16:35]

what to do,

[16:36]

what is it, etc.,

[16:37]

and how to circumvent it,

[16:39]

how to reverse it,

[16:40]

then the domino effect is going to go on.

[16:43]

And one of the first dominoes

[16:44]

that is going to fall

[16:45]

is the kidney system domino,

[16:47]

which is in charge of stress management.

[16:51]

Okay.

[16:52]

This is fascinating

[16:53]

because we normally hear about ADHD

[16:57]

with regards to sort of like

[16:58]

from a neurological perspective,

[16:59]

we think it's only just happening

[17:01]

here in the brain.

[17:02]

I do quite a few podcast episodes

[17:04]

with lots of different specialists

[17:06]

who talk now a lot more

[17:07]

about nutrition and gut.

[17:09]

But what you're helping us connect

[17:11]

with the Chinese traditional medicine

[17:13]

is the actual organs

[17:15]

and how the effects on those organs

[17:18]

can show up with the ADHD symptoms.

[17:21]

So what food, I'm thinking,

[17:24]

is normally we hear a lot of

[17:26]

this is what you shouldn't be eating.

[17:28]

Yes.

[17:29]

It's like take out gluten,

[17:31]

take out sugar,

[17:32]

take out caffeine,

[17:33]

take out all sorts of different things,

[17:36]

and dairy.

[17:37]

And I'm wondering

[17:38]

what should we be adding?

[17:40]

I mean, it's actually really nice to hear

[17:43]

that sometimes it's not about

[17:44]

like restriction, restriction.

[17:46]

Obviously, everything's moderation.

[17:48]

But what are those foods

[17:49]

that you suggest that people eat more of?

[17:52]

Absolutely.

[17:53]

Before I get into it,

[17:54]

I want to add just one to your list,

[17:56]

if I may, of restriction.

[17:58]

It's any sparkling water

[18:01]

or carbohydrate drinks.

[18:04]

So if you think of the role

[18:05]

of the stomach spin,

[18:06]

what is it doing?

[18:07]

It's acting like,

[18:09]

imagine a police officer

[18:10]

that welcomes the food in the body,

[18:12]

and he's the first port of call

[18:13]

for the rest of the digestive tract.

[18:15]

And he's going to separate the food

[18:17]

into small colored T-shirts.

[18:19]

And he's going to say,

[18:20]

all of the black T-shirts

[18:21]

who come over here,

[18:22]

we're going to nourish the kidney system.

[18:23]

All of the red T-shirts

[18:24]

come over here,

[18:25]

we're going to nourish

[18:26]

and increase the blood.

[18:27]

All of the blue T-shirts

[18:28]

come over here,

[18:29]

we're going to go into the liver

[18:30]

because you are toxins.

[18:31]

All of the yellow T-shirts,

[18:32]

you are parasites and allergens,

[18:34]

and I'm going to neutralize you.

[18:35]

Now, the sparkling water

[18:37]

or carbohydrate drinks,

[18:39]

they're going to lift the energy up

[18:41]

and not down.

[18:42]

And they're going to start

[18:43]

to really mess up

[18:44]

with that first port of call.

[18:45]

So if you drink sparkling water

[18:48]

every single day

[18:49]

instead of water,

[18:52]

this is maybe the first change you can make.

[18:55]

And don't go cold turkey,

[18:57]

just ease into it.

[18:58]

And little by little,

[18:59]

go towards just water.

[19:01]

And same for carbohydrate drinks.

[19:02]

So I'll just mention that one in passing.

[19:04]

Now, what can you add?

[19:06]

I think there's a lot of books

[19:07]

that are, first of all,

[19:08]

written on sleep,

[19:09]

on why it's so important to sleep.

[19:11]

And I think another book

[19:12]

could be written

[19:13]

that has never been written.

[19:14]

It's like, why is it important

[19:15]

to masticate?

[19:16]

Throughout evolution,

[19:17]

the teeth are really part of,

[19:20]

and they change as we grow,

[19:22]

and they've evolved over the years

[19:24]

depending on what we eat.

[19:25]

If you look at any animal,

[19:26]

you can tell what they eat

[19:28]

by their teeth.

[19:29]

Mastication is really important.

[19:31]

And so the first part to make the job-

[19:33]

Can I just say,

[19:34]

if people don't know what that means,

[19:36]

it means chewing,

[19:37]

if that's right.

[19:38]

Chewing, sorry.

[19:39]

Apologize.

[19:40]

I'm a French speaker.

[19:43]

And so the first,

[19:44]

before we even go into what to add,

[19:47]

is like the chewing

[19:49]

is going to be really important

[19:50]

to help the police officer

[19:53]

do a really thorough job.

[19:55]

Then the temperature of the food

[19:57]

is also important.

[19:58]

Those digestive enzymes,

[19:59]

that police officer,

[20:00]

he needs energy.

[20:02]

And so if I'm going to eat

[20:03]

really icy foods,

[20:05]

or icy water,

[20:07]

I damage him.

[20:08]

I prevent him from doing his job.

[20:10]

And we're going to talk about

[20:11]

why it's a really big problem

[20:12]

if that happens.

[20:13]

Or a compounding problem,

[20:15]

a problem that becomes

[20:16]

bigger and bigger.

[20:17]

And so masticating.

[20:20]

So therefore,

[20:21]

a smoothie,

[20:22]

what is a smoothie,

[20:23]

a really complex one,

[20:25]

is one where we blended

[20:27]

a lot of different foods,

[20:29]

and they're arbitrarily packed

[20:31]

into maybe there's

[20:32]

two red T-shirts with a black,

[20:34]

and there's one blue

[20:35]

with two yellow.

[20:36]

And there's no mastication.

[20:38]

So the tongue,

[20:39]

which is a sensory organ

[20:41]

that sends to the brain

[20:42]

what food is arriving,

[20:44]

so that the brain can send

[20:46]

the right gastric juices

[20:47]

and the right police officers

[20:48]

to the stomach spleen,

[20:50]

is impaired.

[20:51]

And so all of that process

[20:53]

is going to be really important.

[20:54]

Then in terms of food specifically,

[20:56]

it's really, really, really

[20:59]

not what you would expect necessarily.

[21:01]

Starches are actually

[21:04]

a bit important.

[21:05]

I'm not talking about gluten.

[21:06]

For example, millet.

[21:08]

If we talk about millet.

[21:09]

You know, we say one apple a day

[21:11]

keeps the doctor away.

[21:12]

Well, they have millet

[21:13]

as their staple food.

[21:15]

It's really part of their day-to-day.

[21:17]

And so millet has

[21:18]

a massive number of nutrients

[21:21]

and vitamins

[21:25]

and has the ability

[21:27]

to be digested.

[21:29]

It's going to be forced

[21:30]

to go through a police officer.

[21:32]

Now, if I eat a fiber only,

[21:36]

the fiber makes

[21:37]

my digestive enzyme redundant

[21:39]

because the fiber

[21:40]

doesn't really get digested.

[21:41]

It goes through.

[21:43]

Does that make sense?

[21:44]

So that's why we like fiber

[21:46]

because the more we're constipated,

[21:48]

especially if we have ADHD later in life,

[21:50]

we tend to be constipated,

[21:51]

so we tend to eat a lot of fibers.

[21:53]

The fiber goes through.

[21:55]

It makes the police officer,

[21:56]

no, I don't need your help.

[21:57]

We're good here.

[21:58]

I don't need to be digested.

[21:59]

I'm just passing by.

[22:01]

And so the more we're going

[22:02]

to eat these really important,

[22:04]

really important fibers,

[22:06]

the more we're making

[22:07]

that police officer redundant.

[22:08]

So good quality starch

[22:11]

is actually helpful

[22:13]

to give a job

[22:14]

and to stimulate the production

[22:16]

of digestive enzyme.

[22:18]

Now, the king of all preparation

[22:22]

is I don't know if you've ever seen

[22:23]

a white rice and millet congee.

[22:27]

You know, it's a preparation

[22:28]

where you have half rice,

[22:30]

half millet that is soaked into water

[22:32]

and then is cooked with too much water

[22:35]

and makes kind of

[22:37]

like a mushy form of whitish.

[22:40]

Not very appetizing

[22:43]

for a Western person.

[22:46]

I'm going to try to make it appetizing

[22:47]

in a few minutes.

[22:48]

And that is a load

[22:51]

that will only be digested

[22:54]

by producing digestive enzymes.

[22:57]

And so with that,

[22:58]

you can completely reboost

[23:01]

the stomach's clean system

[23:02]

and completely address ADHD

[23:05]

for breakfast.

[23:06]

Anything you have for breakfast

[23:08]

counts double

[23:09]

because you break the fast.

[23:10]

You're arriving on an empty gut.

[23:12]

So when you have these,

[23:14]

you're going to do

[23:15]

the exact opposite as a fiber.

[23:16]

You're going to say,

[23:17]

dear police officer,

[23:18]

I love you so much.

[23:19]

Good morning.

[23:20]

Get going.

[23:21]

We're going to work today.

[23:23]

And so when you see that woman

[23:24]

that she can eat everything she wants

[23:26]

and she never puts on weight,

[23:28]

well, she has a really good police officer.

[23:30]

And so by having really good starch

[23:34]

that are well prepared,

[23:35]

well masticated,

[23:36]

and well hydrated,

[23:38]

I'm going to boost

[23:40]

the number of digestive enzymes.

[23:42]

Now, let's imagine I do the opposite.

[23:44]

I have ice cream.

[23:45]

In ice cream, I have dairy,

[23:47]

which is sweet and which is cold.

[23:49]

I damage my police officer.

[23:51]

Is that a big deal?

[23:52]

No, it's not a big deal

[23:54]

as long as it's not too recurrent.

[23:56]

Do you see what I mean?

[23:58]

And so here I'm going to have two foods

[23:59]

and one is going to damage it

[24:01]

and one is going to promote it.

[24:04]

And so in my biome,

[24:06]

because it's such a population

[24:07]

that embraces diversity

[24:10]

for my big brain,

[24:12]

I need diversity.

[24:14]

And so therefore,

[24:15]

it's okay to have a bit of naughty stuff

[24:16]

as long as you have some good stuff too.

[24:19]

Yeah.

[24:20]

So you're noticing

[24:22]

by adding something like the millet

[24:25]

and the congee.

[24:27]

Congee, yes, of white rice and millet.

[24:29]

Yeah.

[24:30]

So you're noticing it

[24:31]

and could that help reduce

[24:34]

the amount of migraines

[24:36]

just by adding that to your diet?

[24:38]

Absolutely.

[24:39]

Absolutely.

[24:40]

So if you take a child,

[24:42]

especially if you take a child,

[24:43]

there's not a thousand reasons

[24:44]

why a child can have migraines.

[24:46]

And I really implore

[24:48]

because when you start in life

[24:51]

and you have migraines

[24:52]

and you have no choice but to medicate

[24:55]

and you go to the nursery every day

[24:57]

and you receive medication,

[24:58]

you're going to damage your organ liver

[25:01]

and your system liver massively,

[25:03]

leading to many more migraines in your life.

[25:06]

So here,

[25:07]

if you have a child with ADHD and migraines

[25:10]

or just ADHD, quite frankly,

[25:12]

you can give them a bit of congee.

[25:13]

And the way I negotiate with my kids

[25:15]

is once a week and afterwards,

[25:17]

you can have whatever you want

[25:18]

because I'm just about saying,

[25:20]

hey, let's just fire up that police officer

[25:22]

and then let's still keep the pleasure in.

[25:25]

Yeah.

[25:26]

And so it's a small bowl.

[25:27]

There's not a lot of taste.

[25:28]

It's quite bland.

[25:29]

It's just warming up that friend and saying,

[25:32]

hey, please be by my side for this week

[25:35]

and we're going to be good

[25:36]

and we're going to be naughty.

[25:38]

Yeah.

[25:39]

So how do you make it palatable?

[25:44]

My favorite way is to add peanuts,

[25:48]

like real fresh peanuts

[25:50]

that I roast with a bit of salt and pepper.

[25:53]

And then I find it just makes it a bit more crunchy.

[25:56]

It adds a bit of texture.

[25:57]

We're not used to a slimy texture.

[26:00]

You can also add a bit of meat.

[26:02]

I would not necessarily add sugar.

[26:04]

Like people are tempted to add sugar or honey.

[26:07]

I would try to refrain from that

[26:08]

and maybe keep it savory.

[26:10]

I think that would be better.

[26:11]

And if you're a woman

[26:13]

and you also want a bit of extra collagen,

[26:15]

then you take for rice,

[26:17]

you take glutinous rice

[26:18]

and that's going to give you that extra collagen

[26:21]

very naturally

[26:22]

that is going to also be absorbed

[26:24]

quite easily by your body.

[26:25]

Yeah.

[26:26]

It's really interesting

[26:27]

because, again,

[26:28]

I'm sort of thinking about the different people.

[26:30]

I don't suffer from migraine,

[26:32]

but what I did suffer from a lot

[26:34]

was what I would call very hormonal headaches.

[26:39]

And so a few days before my period,

[26:41]

I would get an absolutely excruciating headache.

[26:45]

But I've never called it a migraine before

[26:47]

because I've never felt sick.

[26:48]

I've never had the way I can't see properly.

[26:51]

And when my friends have talked about their migraines,

[26:54]

there's no way I can call that a migraine

[26:56]

because I would take very strong medication

[27:00]

and go to sleep.

[27:01]

And it would only happen

[27:03]

probably once or twice a month maximum.

[27:06]

Now that I'm on HRT,

[27:08]

I don't get that at all.

[27:09]

I don't get these hormonal headaches.

[27:11]

So for me, that was like, oh,

[27:13]

along with the other things that it's helped sort,

[27:16]

it's not, I don't get these headaches.

[27:18]

However, my daughter, my eldest daughter,

[27:20]

has suffered with migraines

[27:22]

and she,

[27:24]

it's more on my husband's side of the family,

[27:26]

they have a lot of migraines,

[27:27]

like her cousins and my mother-in-law.

[27:30]

And when she's had migraines,

[27:32]

she's just had to,

[27:33]

I've had to pick her up from school.

[27:35]

She's had to miss quite a lot of school.

[27:37]

She's had to go to bed.

[27:39]

And I see there's a pattern,

[27:41]

definitely hormonal.

[27:43]

She's been diagnosed with ADHD

[27:45]

and it's typically around

[27:49]

if she's a bit more stressed or a bit more anxious.

[27:52]

It doesn't have to be a huge amount of overwhelm.

[27:55]

It's the combination of hormones

[27:59]

and maybe slight pressure,

[28:01]

external pressure going on.

[28:03]

And then that's it.

[28:05]

Yeah.

[28:06]

Yeah, absolutely.

[28:08]

And maybe I can give a bit of color

[28:10]

on what you were feeling,

[28:11]

which is different to what she's feeling.

[28:13]

But I just want to start on you

[28:15]

because that type of migraine

[28:17]

was related to some extent to ADHD.

[28:21]

So just below the stomach spleen system,

[28:23]

you have another system,

[28:24]

which is super important,

[28:25]

is your liver system.

[28:27]

Now the liver system is going to manage.

[28:30]

So if I say liver again,

[28:31]

in the Western language,

[28:32]

I always designate that piece of flesh

[28:34]

just sitting below my right rib cage.

[28:36]

But if I say liver again in Chinese,

[28:39]

what I'm referring to is my liver,

[28:41]

my gallbladder,

[28:42]

a lot of my brain.

[28:43]

We're not in the forehead anymore.

[28:44]

We're in the temple.

[28:45]

We're in the top of the head.

[28:46]

We're across the eyebrows.

[28:49]

I'm going to refer to all of my female hormones,

[28:52]

my mood hormones,

[28:53]

my uterus,

[28:54]

my breasts,

[28:56]

and all of my tendons.

[28:58]

And so leading up to my menstruation

[29:00]

is a time when women can have

[29:01]

a lot of excruciating migraines.

[29:04]

It's probably statistically the highest amount.

[29:08]

And what happens is that

[29:09]

before the menstruation,

[29:10]

the blood's going to gather, gather

[29:12]

in the liver before it gets flushed.

[29:14]

And so all of the toxins are accumulating.

[29:17]

Now, what we do know from the West,

[29:19]

even we don't know exactly

[29:20]

how the Vicks nerve plugs into the brain

[29:22]

like with a lot of precision.

[29:24]

We do know that if I intoxicate my brain with alcohol,

[29:27]

I get a hangover.

[29:28]

And that's universal.

[29:30]

Yeah.

[29:31]

So if I get a hangover,

[29:32]

I feel in my brain.

[29:33]

I'm not doing a brain freeze.

[29:34]

I'm like going like, oh,

[29:36]

like with a helmet on my hands,

[29:38]

on my head thinking,

[29:39]

oh my God,

[29:40]

it hurts almost everywhere.

[29:42]

Now, if I'm before my menstruation

[29:45]

and all of those toxins are gathered

[29:47]

before they get flushed in my menstruation,

[29:49]

I also have that inflammation

[29:52]

around my liver system.

[29:54]

Then that inflammation is going

[29:56]

through my vagus nerve

[29:57]

and has two ends inflamed,

[30:00]

one in my brain and one in my liver.

[30:02]

Yeah.

[30:03]

And so at that moment,

[30:04]

I can get that.

[30:05]

Now, if I have my liver

[30:07]

who has intoxication or inflammation,

[30:10]

what it's going to do

[30:11]

is that the gallbladder

[30:12]

is going to put bile up.

[30:14]

And so instead of the juice

[30:16]

and the food going down,

[30:19]

now the bile is going up.

[30:20]

It's going to go up

[30:21]

and annoy the stomach spleen

[30:23]

and change the pH of that chemical,

[30:26]

that beautiful chemical reaction

[30:28]

that needs to happen.

[30:29]

And that's going to weaken

[30:31]

my stomach spleen system,

[30:32]

which is going to increase ADHD-like symptoms

[30:36]

or that for that matter.

[30:38]

Do you see what I mean?

[30:39]

Yeah, yeah.

[30:40]

And so that's the interrelation of both.

[30:42]

And this is where it can also start

[30:44]

from another place.

[30:46]

So many women are listening

[30:48]

to this podcast now

[30:49]

and are getting these light bulb moments,

[30:51]

are able to connect the dots

[30:53]

through our conversations,

[30:54]

but then left helpless

[30:56]

because the expertise,

[30:58]

the specialism isn't there.

[31:00]

What would you say to women

[31:01]

who are getting these realizations now

[31:04]

and they've suffered

[31:05]

for decades of their life?

[31:08]

Your intuition is always right.

[31:11]

And also your body

[31:13]

is a really smart system.

[31:15]

So each time it took a different turn,

[31:19]

it was in order to protect you

[31:21]

and it was rational.

[31:24]

When the body has a problem,

[31:26]

it's going to try to disperse the problem

[31:29]

and make it very small in many places.

[31:31]

It's going to prefer to have

[31:33]

a lot of small problems

[31:34]

than a really, really big one.

[31:36]

If it has a really, really big one

[31:38]

in a single place,

[31:39]

it can't function anymore.

[31:41]

So I'd love to take the example

[31:43]

of the endometriosis.

[31:44]

And when I speak with people,

[31:47]

I still onboard everyone.

[31:49]

And sometimes, yes,

[31:50]

it takes me three hours

[31:51]

to explain to someone

[31:52]

why are we here,

[31:53]

why we are here.

[31:55]

And I really want to link

[31:57]

endometriosis and ADHD for a minute

[32:00]

because I don't think that's a link

[32:01]

that has ever been established.

[32:03]

And I also want to talk

[32:04]

about antibiotics now

[32:05]

because I'm sure that also

[32:07]

has never been linked,

[32:09]

but I want to link it too.

[32:10]

So if your stomach spleen

[32:12]

is not functioning,

[32:13]

the food still goes down.

[32:15]

Yeah?

[32:16]

So it still goes down.

[32:17]

So it goes down.

[32:18]

I don't know if your kids

[32:19]

want to save the planet

[32:20]

and they also want to play with slime.

[32:21]

I don't know about yours.

[32:22]

That's what I'd want to do.

[32:24]

I'm like,

[32:25]

if you want to save the planet,

[32:26]

stop making a mess in my kitchen

[32:29]

that I can't put in the organic bin.

[32:34]

So your food is going to go down

[32:37]

in your microbiome,

[32:38]

in your small and large intestine

[32:41]

and it's going to look like slime.

[32:43]

And your small intestine might go,

[32:46]

maybe, maybe, what's this?

[32:48]

We have red T-shirts

[32:49]

which we need to extract.

[32:50]

We've lost a lot of blood

[32:51]

during menstruation.

[32:52]

We need to replenish.

[32:53]

We have a lot of black T-shirts

[32:55]

and we've been really stressed.

[32:56]

We need to extract it.

[32:57]

But it's all mushy

[32:58]

and mixed with blue T-shirts

[33:00]

that are toxins.

[33:01]

It hasn't been properly digested.

[33:02]

And oh my God,

[33:03]

even there's a parasite.

[33:05]

And so it's going to have

[33:06]

a couple of ways to cope.

[33:08]

One way is flush this,

[33:10]

flush this,

[33:11]

maybe get it out.

[33:12]

So then we're going to start

[33:13]

to have what is called

[33:14]

the leaky gut.

[33:15]

So I'm going to eat something

[33:16]

and immediately the food goes.

[33:18]

And that's going to be

[33:19]

very problematic

[33:20]

because I'm not absorbing

[33:21]

any of my food

[33:22]

and I'm retaining water.

[33:24]

And so my microbiome starts

[33:26]

to be more and more damp.

[33:29]

Or I can sometimes

[33:31]

get really constipated

[33:32]

because the body is like,

[33:33]

what do we do?

[33:34]

Yeah, put it on the side.

[33:35]

It might always serve one day.

[33:36]

But we're going to try

[33:38]

to extract that stuff

[33:39]

but it's really hard.

[33:40]

And so regardless

[33:41]

of those two pathways

[33:42]

that the body decides to take,

[33:44]

there's going to be

[33:45]

a lot of what is called dampness.

[33:47]

So dampness, imagine mucus,

[33:48]

imagine phlegm

[33:49]

that is going to go

[33:50]

inside the gut

[33:51]

and it's going to start

[33:52]

to permeate through

[33:53]

the lining of the gut

[33:54]

and start to get

[33:55]

to the endometrium.

[33:57]

And it's going to surround

[33:58]

the endometrium

[33:59]

and it's going to start

[34:00]

to really annoy it.

[34:02]

The body, why does that?

[34:03]

It's just because

[34:04]

it's trying to spread

[34:05]

the problem.

[34:06]

There's a problem

[34:07]

and he's trying not to have it

[34:08]

concentrated too much

[34:09]

otherwise it becomes

[34:10]

a bit dangerous.

[34:11]

Yeah?

[34:12]

And so it's going to start

[34:13]

to put it around

[34:14]

the endometrium

[34:15]

and if you've ever seen

[34:16]

what an operation is,

[34:18]

when the doctor

[34:19]

operates from an endometriosis

[34:20]

he's going to go through

[34:21]

your belly button

[34:22]

to respectfully not scar you

[34:23]

and then it's going to

[34:24]

take almost a spoon

[34:26]

and scoop out mucus.

[34:28]

When he does that,

[34:30]

because the body is not flat,

[34:31]

he's going to need to cut

[34:32]

a little bit,

[34:33]

very small vessels

[34:34]

to go around it.

[34:36]

But when he does that

[34:37]

he makes the whole part

[34:39]

of that body weaker

[34:41]

so that yes,

[34:42]

maybe I get really lucky

[34:43]

and I can get pregnant

[34:44]

on the back of such an operation

[34:46]

but if I,

[34:47]

but afterwards

[34:48]

that region is so weak

[34:50]

that more mucus

[34:51]

can accumulate easily.

[34:52]

Yeah?

[34:53]

And the body can't

[34:54]

defend itself as much.

[34:56]

And so,

[34:57]

the more that biome

[34:58]

is going to be bad,

[35:00]

the more my digestive enzymes

[35:02]

have no choice

[35:04]

to get back on their feet.

[35:06]

So it's a little bit

[35:07]

that the police officer

[35:08]

let a few gangsters,

[35:10]

a few people

[35:11]

inside the gut.

[35:12]

Then these guys

[35:13]

replicated

[35:14]

because that's what they do.

[35:16]

And then there's a bit of a gang

[35:17]

organized in my microbiome

[35:19]

and the gang now

[35:20]

is taking over the police

[35:21]

which is upstream.

[35:23]

And so then I get into

[35:24]

that really vicious circle

[35:25]

where I'm bloated,

[35:26]

I have a distension

[35:27]

of the belly area,

[35:28]

I can easily have eczema

[35:30]

or I have athlete foot

[35:32]

or I can have repetitive UTIs.

[35:34]

If I have repetitive UTIs

[35:36]

I'm going to take antibodies.

[35:37]

If I take antibodies

[35:38]

which I have to,

[35:39]

it's going to make my biome

[35:40]

even weaker

[35:41]

and it's going to make

[35:42]

my somatic spleen

[35:43]

even weaker

[35:44]

and therefore

[35:45]

my ADHD even stronger.

[35:46]

Yeah.

[35:47]

And so I just want to link

[35:48]

these things

[35:49]

because you mentioned

[35:50]

these women,

[35:51]

they're going to complain about that.

[35:52]

It's so true.

[35:53]

And they go into

[35:54]

a vicious circle

[35:55]

from which it's really,

[35:56]

really, really hard

[35:58]

to get out of.

[35:59]

And so I want to express

[36:01]

first of all

[36:02]

that in my life

[36:03]

I had a really successful career

[36:05]

until five years ago

[36:07]

when I decided to stop it.

[36:08]

I made these discoveries

[36:10]

for people who were suffering

[36:12]

lifelong journeys of migraines

[36:14]

by coincidence

[36:15]

because of my uncle

[36:16]

who died from a brain tumor.

[36:19]

And I stopped

[36:21]

earning my life

[36:23]

and I've dedicated

[36:24]

that massive purpose

[36:25]

to women's health

[36:26]

in particular

[36:27]

but to people's health

[36:28]

because I think

[36:29]

we're really headed

[36:30]

in the wrong direction here.

[36:31]

And so every penny I've made

[36:33]

I've reinvested

[36:34]

and completely bootstrapped

[36:35]

the app that I now have

[36:37]

that allows me

[36:38]

to help people faster

[36:40]

with a lot of accuracy

[36:41]

and just adding foods

[36:42]

to their diet

[36:43]

and so re-diversifying

[36:45]

their gut flora

[36:47]

essentially

[36:48]

so that they can thrive

[36:49]

and go on

[36:50]

and do the small and large things

[36:51]

that they want to accomplish in life

[36:53]

which is sometimes

[36:54]

just being a loving mum

[36:56]

present for her child

[36:57]

when he comes back from school

[36:59]

you know

[37:00]

and these things

[37:01]

really really matter in society.

[37:03]

Yeah, wow.

[37:04]

I was going to ask you

[37:05]

the question of where

[37:06]

this kind of passion came from

[37:08]

this kind of purpose.

[37:10]

So five years ago

[37:13]

you were already

[37:16]

working in the health industry

[37:18]

you were already doing this?

[37:20]

No, I studied at Harvard Business School

[37:23]

I have an engineering background

[37:25]

and I worked as a

[37:28]

management consultant

[37:29]

for many years

[37:30]

and so I was more in boardrooms

[37:32]

and CEO rooms

[37:33]

and other things like that

[37:35]

but I had had a skiing accident myself

[37:37]

I had lost half of my blood

[37:39]

and shrunk a kidney

[37:40]

and had never been transused

[37:41]

and it took me 12 years

[37:43]

to get over it fully

[37:45]

and when I got over it fully

[37:47]

was when I met

[37:48]

a traditional Chinese medicine doctor

[37:50]

who recommended foods

[37:51]

for three weeks

[37:52]

and I was back to who I was

[37:54]

when I was 17

[37:55]

before that accident

[37:56]

and I really thought

[37:57]

oh my god

[37:59]

like why are we struggling so much?

[38:02]

What's wrong with the system?

[38:03]

and my colleagues said

[38:04]

it's placebo

[38:05]

and I'm like

[38:06]

and I really thought to myself

[38:07]

guys this has nothing

[38:08]

to do with placebo

[38:09]

we're way beyond placebo here

[38:11]

it's extremely efficient

[38:12]

and they said

[38:13]

no pharmaceutical company

[38:14]

looked into it

[38:15]

there's nothing

[38:16]

and I kept on bringing people

[38:18]

that same doctor

[38:19]

with whom I work

[38:21]

and he supported me

[38:22]

throughout this journey

[38:23]

and she kept on

[38:24]

pulling miracles off

[38:25]

and then I thought

[38:26]

oh I'd love to create

[38:27]

a food as medicine AI

[38:28]

or something that people

[38:29]

can have in their pocket

[38:30]

and it's really simple

[38:31]

and this is what

[38:32]

I fabricated today

[38:34]

but I thought

[38:35]

it was impossible

[38:36]

and I had this

[38:37]

massive imposter syndrome

[38:39]

and then my family

[38:40]

would have

[38:41]

you know

[38:42]

they didn't like

[38:43]

that I would change career

[38:44]

like you know

[38:45]

they were like

[38:46]

you're going back

[38:47]

to medical school right

[38:48]

I'm like no

[38:49]

I think there's a lot of gaps

[38:50]

in our medicine

[38:52]

and I want to fill those gaps

[38:54]

because people

[38:55]

are really suffering

[38:56]

and I think when I met

[38:57]

a lot of women

[38:58]

who were suffering

[38:59]

from migraines

[39:00]

I fell in compassionate love

[39:01]

with how much pain

[39:03]

these women were experiencing

[39:04]

and were living

[39:05]

in the shadows

[39:06]

for years and years

[39:08]

and years of their life

[39:10]

and I thought

[39:11]

oh my god

[39:12]

these stories are crazy

[39:14]

I would listen to people

[39:15]

and really think

[39:16]

oh my god

[39:18]

and so I started to do

[39:20]

a podcast called

[39:21]

Migraine Heroes

[39:22]

and I thought you know

[39:23]

maybe no one's interested

[39:24]

in these stories

[39:25]

but I don't know

[39:26]

I'll give it a go

[39:27]

because I think

[39:28]

they need a voice

[39:29]

and women love it

[39:30]

people love it

[39:31]

you know I even

[39:32]

just on board someone

[39:33]

in Australia

[39:34]

a man

[39:35]

and he said

[39:36]

oh my god

[39:37]

I have so much

[39:38]

in common

[39:39]

with all of these people

[39:40]

turned out to be women

[39:41]

and because the

[39:42]

you know

[39:43]

the constraints

[39:44]

their life has been

[39:45]

is just

[39:46]

is just disgraceful

[39:48]

it's great that we aim

[39:49]

to go on Mars

[39:50]

it's not ok

[39:51]

that we live

[39:52]

we let you know

[39:53]

so many of

[39:54]

of the people

[39:55]

that are in touch with you

[39:56]

suffer so much

[39:57]

I don't think it's ok

[39:58]

it's not ok with me

[39:59]

no it's not ok

[40:00]

with me either

[40:01]

and I have to say

[40:02]

you know

[40:03]

I

[40:04]

I think doctors

[40:05]

do an amazing job

[40:06]

Western doctors

[40:07]

do an amazing job

[40:08]

in situations

[40:09]

but there's

[40:10]

too many gaps

[40:11]

now

[41:12]

you know

[41:13]

we're going through

[41:14]

cycles of burnout

[41:15]

dysregulation

[41:16]

nervous system

[41:17]

constant

[41:18]

you know

[41:19]

on heightened

[41:20]

alert

[41:21]

they've not been able

[41:22]

to be their true

[41:23]

authentic selves

[41:24]

they have had to

[41:25]

hide

[41:26]

under

[41:27]

overwhelm

[41:28]

pressure

[41:29]

just

[41:30]

so many mental

[41:31]

health problems

[41:32]

and they're

[41:33]

these women

[41:34]

are just

[41:35]

clinging on

[41:36]

for dear life

[41:37]

then they get

[41:38]

these diagnoses

[41:39]

like I say

[41:40]

you know

[41:41]

they are

[41:42]

battling

[41:43]

these

[41:44]

lots of

[41:45]

what we

[41:46]

consider physical

[41:47]

you know

[41:48]

issues such as

[41:49]

the guts

[41:50]

such as

[41:51]

migraines

[41:52]

endometriosis

[41:53]

what

[41:54]

I mean

[41:55]

are you seeing

[41:56]

the same

[41:57]

and do you

[41:58]

see this

[41:59]

as a

[42:00]

almost like a

[42:01]

societal

[42:02]

way

[42:03]

that women

[42:04]

have had to

[42:05]

suppress themselves

[42:06]

and women

[42:07]

have not been

[42:08]

given a voice

[42:09]

and medically

[42:10]

addressed

[42:11]

yeah

[42:12]

absolutely

[42:13]

I have so many

[42:14]

things to say

[42:15]

about that

[42:16]

so I

[42:17]

completely agree

[42:18]

everything that you see

[42:19]

I see

[42:20]

everything

[42:21]

and I think

[42:22]

what keeps me going

[42:23]

days in and days out

[42:24]

is

[42:25]

the miracles

[42:26]

that we make

[42:27]

day by day

[42:28]

and that's just

[42:29]

the fuel

[42:30]

you know

[42:31]

for not going

[42:32]

shopping for clothing

[42:33]

and just thinking that

[42:34]

it's a life

[42:35]

of purpose

[42:36]

and it's just

[42:37]

so joyful

[42:38]

now

[42:39]

a few things

[42:40]

number one

[42:41]

you know

[42:42]

you have 4 children

[42:43]

you have

[42:44]

produced

[42:45]

4 brains

[42:46]

4 hearts

[42:47]

4 full skin flesh

[42:48]

4 pair of eyes

[42:49]

4 livers

[42:50]

ok

[42:51]

4 stomach slings

[42:52]

you have produced

[42:53]

all of that

[42:54]

the contribution

[42:55]

of your partner

[42:56]

was a lot more modest

[42:57]

was

[42:58]

indispensable

[42:59]

but

[43:00]

a man

[43:01]

is going to

[43:02]

produce

[43:03]

spermatozoid

[43:04]

which is

[43:05]

the

[43:06]

most

[43:07]

important

[43:08]

spermatozoid

[43:09]

which is

[43:10]

really really important

[43:11]

don't get me wrong

[43:12]

it's also very simple

[43:13]

the woman

[43:14]

is going to

[43:15]

make the full child

[43:16]

so let's imagine

[43:17]

the man is a factory

[43:18]

and the woman is a factory

[43:19]

which factory

[43:20]

do you think

[43:21]

is more complex

[43:22]

and by a factor

[43:23]

of how much

[43:24]

right

[43:25]

so you have

[43:26]

this joke

[43:27]

sometimes circulating

[43:28]

on the web

[43:29]

like a man's brain

[43:30]

and there's a button

[43:31]

on off

[43:32]

and a woman's brain

[43:33]

there's all sorts

[43:34]

of regulators

[43:35]

it's

[43:36]

that's a reflection

[43:37]

on how

[43:38]

complicated

[43:39]

human beings

[43:40]

now

[43:41]

as a woman

[43:42]

because we

[43:43]

developed these medications

[43:44]

what happened is

[43:45]

in the 60s

[43:46]

I don't know

[43:47]

if you've ever heard

[43:48]

of that medication

[43:49]

thalidomide

[43:50]

yes

[43:51]

of course

[43:52]

yes

[43:53]

so in the 60s

[43:54]

it was this medication

[43:55]

done actually

[43:56]

for nausea

[43:57]

in pregnancy

[43:58]

so sort of

[43:59]

migraines

[44:00]

soft migraines

[44:01]

in pregnancy

[44:02]

and as a result

[44:03]

of that

[44:04]

there were more

[44:05]

than 10,000 children

[44:06]

which provided

[44:07]

as you can imagine

[44:08]

a complete

[44:09]

catastrophe

[44:10]

and trauma

[44:11]

not only for

[44:12]

these children

[44:13]

and for these mothers

[44:14]

and the guilt

[44:15]

that they

[44:16]

brought up together

[44:17]

but also for the

[44:18]

scientific community

[44:19]

that you know

[44:20]

for the right reasons

[44:21]

and for loving reasons

[44:22]

said oh my god

[44:23]

take women out

[44:24]

of clinical trials

[44:25]

this is actually

[44:26]

really really dangerous

[44:27]

they might be pregnant

[44:28]

if they're not

[44:29]

they might become pregnant

[44:30]

or they might not know

[44:31]

they are

[44:32]

and so this is really

[44:33]

dangerous for society

[44:34]

so it's for

[44:35]

unintended reasons

[44:36]

that we removed

[44:37]

very brutally

[44:38]

women from

[44:39]

clinical trials

[44:40]

for decades

[44:41]

ok

[44:42]

now lab rats

[44:43]

also

[44:44]

tend to be male rats

[44:45]

because

[44:46]

there's a lot of data

[44:47]

from female rats

[44:48]

that are unexplainable

[44:49]

and I think the brain

[44:50]

of a woman

[44:51]

is also very

[44:52]

has a lot of

[44:53]

empathy

[44:54]

and I want to

[44:55]

tell you a story

[44:56]

it was the story

[44:57]

of the first

[44:58]

woman

[44:59]

it happened with

[45:00]

was a woman

[45:01]

who was

[45:02]

pregnant

[45:03]

and she was

[45:00]

who, she was having, she had migraines for 30 years, and her migraines were going down,

[45:05]

down, down, down, down. And at some point, they really climbed up. And I look at her data,

[45:09]

I can't understand it. I look at her food, I'm like, did I make any mistakes? I can't understand

[45:13]

why the pain is suddenly spiking back up. And so I call her and I say, what's the context,

[45:20]

what's going on? And then she said, my daughter tried to commit suicide. And this was the least

[45:26]

thing I was expecting. And so what I try to mean is, as her daughter was in pain,

[45:30]

the mother felt the pain. So it adds to the complexity of the system, because the Chinese

[45:36]

are going to say, not only is your gut-brain axis connected, your emotions can also impact

[45:41]

your gut and your organs, and your organs can impact your emotions. So that makes the woman

[45:45]

hyper-complicated. Now, if you look at the medicine, ancestral medicine,

[45:50]

the women were able to reproduce a population, a healthy population. And so they were front

[45:56]

and center of medicine. So whereas in the Western science, because of the way we do the science,

[46:02]

and because we want a one-to-one relationship and causality, something very clean, very neat,

[46:07]

very scientific-based, the way we do our clinical trials, we had to exclude women.

[46:12]

And there's a lot of variables that we're unable to explain. And these traditional Chinese

[46:17]

medicine, such as Ayurveda, or Chinese medicine, or Kampo, that was developed by the Japanese,

[46:24]

women were front and center of medicine. When you say health in Mandarin, the character is a woman

[46:31]

under a roof. And health means, if you provide security for the woman, you have provided health,

[46:38]

and also means safety, and therefore you have kept your population safe. And I think that's

[46:44]

something we've completely lost in Western science, because there's so many symptoms that

[46:49]

we can't explain, because we don't understand systems, because our language is also very

[46:57]

directional. Like when we say heart, we can only mean heart. And when we say liver,

[47:01]

we can only mean liver. We struggle to express ourselves with systems. Even when we say IBS,

[47:08]

or leaky gut, we designate the gut or the bowels as the problem. But the problem doesn't come from

[47:14]

them. They're on the receiving end of another system not doing their job. But because we call

[47:20]

them that way, we sometimes tend to look in the wrong place. And so yes, I do feel what you feel,

[47:28]

women are completely misguided, ghastly, etc. And I think what happens in that first onboarding call

[47:36]

is they really feel, oh my god, now I completely understand that is so logical. I'm making sense.

[47:46]

Yeah. And so from there, they have that massive hope that it's actually everything's sort of

[47:51]

reversible if you take it one at a time. And so that conversation is really a symbolic 30

[47:58]

US dollars, in the sense that I need people to show up. I have children, I have a husband,

[48:03]

I have a household, I can't have people not showing up. But I give the money back if people

[48:07]

join or don't join. It's really not about the money. It's about people understanding,

[48:11]

okay, I'm not crazy, I'm making sense. And there's a way forward.

[48:16]

So then where does the app come in? So you have the onboarding call, and then are they then given

[48:23]

the opportunity to use the app as guidance? What I'm trying to do is I'm trying to make

[48:28]

their life really, really easy. I bet the people who are listening here, they're really busy,

[48:33]

they have to cook for their children and fold the laundry and do the grocery shopping and cook

[48:39]

and work. Life is extremely busy. So part of my job is to make it very simple and very actionable.

[48:48]

And so the best way to access someone on a daily basis is through an app. And so in that app,

[48:54]

there's two sections of foods, and it's going to tell the given person, for example, hey, Kate,

[48:59]

in your section A, we're going to boost your gastric juices, increase the number of digestive

[49:05]

enzymes that you have. In your selection B, we are going to nourish your kidney system to overcome

[49:10]

that anxiety that you experience. And these are all of the symptoms that you experience, how your

[49:15]

body manifested this, which is a combination of a bit of genetics, a bit of epiDNA, you know,

[49:21]

what went wrong along the way and how it's manifested for you. And these are all of the

[49:25]

foods that will do the job. And then there's, you know, over five years, I realized you have

[49:31]

to do things in a certain order. And that order is going to differ person by person. You have to

[49:36]

take, it's a bit like you unpeel an onion. You can't start by peel five or six. You have to start

[49:42]

by peel one or two. And then what I've done is in the app, there's also a tongue image AI. So

[49:48]

your tongue is your only internal organ that you can see externally. And it's a gem of information

[49:54]

because it's connected to your vagus nerve. And so it's a little bit like it's a mirror of what's

[49:59]

happening in your brain, what's happening in your main organs. And so you could give me 10 tongues,

[50:04]

Kate, and I would actually be able to tell you who are the three people with ADHD from just looking

[50:10]

at that. Oh, my God, that's incredible. It's incredible. And what it allows me to do is not

[50:15]

only know where to start. So where's your body crying the most? And then it allows me to see how

[50:23]

fast your gut is absorbing the foods. How well is it doing the job? Where is it putting the food?

[50:29]

I'm giving it food, you know, is it put in the right place at the right speed? And then this

[50:37]

is where women will have less and less migraines, but they will also say, I just had one yesterday.

[50:42]

And she said, Oh, my God, she had received three rounds of IVF. She was about to do a fourth one

[50:47]

when I met her. And I said, Whoa, whoa, whoa, your body is crying left, right and center. These are

[50:52]

all of the reasons why your body does not want to get pregnant. Very rightfully so. Let's correct

[50:57]

all of that. And so yesterday, she was texting and she said, Oh, my God, I've had my first what I

[51:01]

think is a normal menstruation and feels amazing. It was smooth, the blood was red. It was just

[51:07]

gorgeous. And at the same time, I had another woman from the US texting me and said, You know,

[51:12]

I expelled so many blood clots in the last few days, some of which were the size of a baseball.

[51:18]

And she wrote that. And you know, I had that moment of Oh, my God, we just dodged a bullet,

[51:23]

you know, like this stuff couldn't stay in her body until her migraines were rightfully during

[51:29]

her menstruation complaining about something happening internally. And so if you're left

[51:35]

with only one message, it's just your body is a beautiful machine. It's wired to reproduce,

[51:44]

and it's wired to love and do these incredible things and to learn and to love and, and when

[51:51]

it's struggling, it's going to do its best to cope. You know, so it's your best friend and listen

[51:56]

and don't let don't let sort of paper documents with a lot of data come in between you and your

[52:02]

body use your intuition to Yeah, so if someone's listening to this now, and they may not suffer

[52:10]

from migraines, but they suffer from heavy periods, and they suspected endometriosis,

[52:16]

maybe they've not had the diagnosis, you know, PMDD, anything sort of like hormonal,

[52:21]

do you still do that? Or is you specifically migraines? I can still do that. I in practice,

[52:27]

I'm really focusing on migraines. However, migraine is a genetic fire alarm. So it's

[52:33]

completely possible to do the same for someone who doesn't suffer from migraines. Yes.

[52:37]

Okay. Well, I think, you know, this conversation alone is going to help a lot of people

[52:42]

just that knowledge. Maybe they can find themselves a traditional Chinese medicine

[52:47]

practitioner near them. And they can get some, you know, some advice, or they can speak to you.

[52:53]

And yeah, I'm going to be sharing all your information on the show notes. But can you

[52:57]

just tell people how what's the website called that they can get in touch with you through?

[53:02]

So the website is called My Nectar Health, Nectar, like the plant, the flower, and you go

[53:08]

on the website and you can take the test. We are also putting together a triggers test just to,

[53:13]

you know, help people with triggers already, because sometimes there's stuff that they

[53:17]

haven't really thought about. And yeah, and then from there we meet, you can also just contact me

[53:22]

from the website if you have a question exactly like you have something really specific, and

[53:26]

you're not sure if I can help, I reply very candidly. And I would be the one replying and I

[53:32]

look, I really care. I think it's not okay, what's happening is really not okay,

[53:36]

neither for us nor for our children. And so I really want to thank you for the platform that

[53:42]

you allow, you know, to give advice to those women, and, you know, to educate them so that

[53:48]

they can feel empowered to take care of their health. Yeah, thank you. And that is exactly what

[53:54]

this podcast is for, for women who haven't got access to all these different, you know,

[53:59]

specialists and experts, and they can have a conversation and do some digging themselves,

[54:03]

and maybe, you know, speak to you or find someone locally to them. It just helps. It just helps with

[54:10]

that validation that I think is so important to know that it's not in our minds. And actually,

[54:18]

it's not okay to suffer. It's not okay to be in pain and to live a terrible quality of life

[54:24]

because of our health. So thank you so much for this amazing conversation, Diana. Thank you.

[54:33]

I really hope you enjoyed this week's episode. If you did, and it resonated with you, I would

[54:38]

absolutely love it if you could share on your platforms, or maybe leave a review and a rating

[54:44]

wherever you listen to your podcasts. And please do check out my website,

[54:48]

adhdwomenswellbeing.co.uk, for lots of free resources and paid-for workshops. I'm uploading

[54:56]

new things all the time, and I would absolutely love to see you there. Take care, and see you for

[55:01]

the next episode. I hear from so many of you every week that this podcast has helped you

[55:16]

immeasurably. And if that is the case, and it really has helped you understand and validate

[55:21]

yourself and your experiences, as well as giving you options and ways to move forward positively,

[55:27]

I finally believe that you can thrive at life with more insights, more guidance.

[55:31]

I would absolutely love it if you could support the podcast with a small tip. I actively choose

[55:37]

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[55:42]

pleasurable and easy listening experience for you as the listener. So any tip or any contribution

[55:48]

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[55:53]

All the details are in the show notes. There's a link there. Thank you so much,

[55:57]

and see you for the next episode.

Originally published March 2024

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