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Hello, this is the Migraine Heroes podcast, a podcast where we share real stories from
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real people suffering and battling with migraine disease.
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In this podcast, we seek to provide support, hope, holistic health advocacy, and inspiration
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for those who suffer from migraines.
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Thank you so much for having me at your place.
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So today we're here to discuss about your migraines and how they started.
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Thank you so much for taking the time.
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And you know what?
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To take the time for women who actually suffer and sometimes have a bit of self-doubt, to
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just really share very personally and candidly your experience with migraines.
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So let's dive right in.
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Where did that migraine journey start for you?
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So I remember my first migraine being when I was living in Sydney.
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I used to love playing beach volleyball in the morning, and I would go and spend two
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or three hours playing volleyball, sometimes not eating or drinking very much.
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So you know, I've just been too excited to play.
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And definitely I remember that's when it started feeling really ill.
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You know, I had terrible blurred vision, and then I would pretty much have to go home straight
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away and put myself in a dark room, in a cold room, cold and dark room.
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I definitely noticed a pattern that it was when I wasn't drinking, drinking enough or
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not having breakfast.
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So very, very quickly I started paying attention to that and actually not exercising in the
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morning unless I had these two things sorted.
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And so these games, you were going every week?
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Yes, I used to do every Sunday.
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Exciting with friends?
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Well, actually I make friends through it because I just love volleyball.
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And you know, I met a lady, we became partners.
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She was from the Netherlands.
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We started playing together, yeah.
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And so how long did they last for normally?
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It would be like, we start at 9am and we finish around 1pm sometimes.
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And then you play and then you stop and then you play and then you stop, you know, it's
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not like the whole time.
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And so did it become a pattern that you need to stop and go home?
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Pretty much every week really.
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Eventually, I would have to go home, yeah, because I just felt awful.
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And I knew the headache would come and I would just have to go home and I would have to lie
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down for a few hours on my Sunday, which wasn't great.
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And so how were your friends responding?
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Well, at first she didn't really understand, you know, why.
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I think she did notice a pattern and she knew, especially in the summer, it was really hot.
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That's what would happen.
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And then, you know, a lot of people say it would be you get sunstroke, you know?
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Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
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So you were like, oh, is it sunstroke or, you know, that's what I thought, you know,
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I haven't drunk enough water.
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I haven't looked after myself.
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Even though I was always wearing big hats and all that, I was, you know, I was trying to
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be sense conscious, but I still, yeah.
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And so at that time, did you think of them as a headache or as migraines or whatever?
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Yeah, I thought it was just headaches, really.
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I thought it was a dehydration, sunstroke headache.
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I just, I didn't really say, oh, I'm having migraine.
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It's just I thought, you know, I'm not used to this Australian sun and this is what happens.
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Had you been exposed to other people with migraines or not so much?
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No one ever talks about them.
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My parents definitely didn't, never had migraine.
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And my sister, I know since now, I know because we discussed it, that she has a few migraines
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in there, but not when we were growing up.
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And so how does it continue to evolve or does it stop?
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So then I, I remember doing, having the migraines, obviously now it's migraine when I was playing
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beach volleyball, but then I went and moved to Hong Kong and then no problem there.
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I wasn't exercising as much, I guess it was not as much sun.
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So I don't really remember really having migraines there.
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And then I had my children, everything's good.
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And then just really recently it starts again.
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I started noticing that it was definitely a passion.
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And then becoming quite anxious about when the next, next one will come or if I have
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a very busy day, I'm like, oh my God, I hope today I'm not going to get the migraine or
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if you have a long drive or something like that, I've become quite anxious about it.
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Because you know that once it hits you, you just can't do anything.
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And I think particularly for me, because I had an experience when I was driving and I
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had to actually ask somebody else to drive for me.
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And you know, if you have your children in the car and you're driving somewhere for three
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hours, I can't ask my 11 year old to drive for me.
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And then all of a sudden you're in the middle of nowhere and you, you know, and if you have
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a migraine, you actually can't drive because I get the blue vision.
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I can't see, you know, it's just, yeah.
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So that's become a bit of a problem.
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And can you describe the blurred vision?
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So first, that's what happens.
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You can see little dots coming from my right hand side of my right eye.
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I can see and I know, I was like, oh no, it's coming, oh, it's going.
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And then, then it becomes more and more so that actually you feel like you need to close
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one of the eye because you can't barely see through them.
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You wear sunglasses, try to help.
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Then very quickly I start having a queasy, you know, it's becoming really painful in
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I'm squeezing a queasiness, like I'm going to be, I'm going to be vomiting.
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So I know I just have to go into a dark room and just wait it out, which could be, usually
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it takes all day and all night and then in the morning you still feel really exhausted
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and not a hundred percent yourself, but at least you can function again.
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And how do, I mean, does it sometimes happen when you have your kids and how?
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I mean, I'm very lucky.
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I've got a lady, I've got a nanny.
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So fortunately when it happened to me, she was around so she could take care of my children.
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But yeah, I just don't know how people have a husband that works and have no help and
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It's really, really hard.
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Especially if you have young children.
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I mean, it didn't really happen to me when my children were young.
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They're a bit older now, but, and now I know my kids, like I said, you know, sometimes
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I want to do something with them and I said, we're going to go and do something.
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And then all of a sudden it hits me and I said, I'm sorry, I can't, I've got, I've got to
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I just can't do it today.
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Oh, you're going to migrate again?
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You sick again, mom?
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And they don't really understand because they never, they never get that.
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They don't understand what it means.
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I think it's a deaf dialogue.
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I find my grandmother has migraines.
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And even though everyone loves her in the family, it's like, oh, granny went for a nap.
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She has a migraine.
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And I think this is quite a stigma, even within a family.
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Even within a family.
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Even my husband who's had a migraine.
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So your, your husband had?
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He used, he used to have migraine.
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Oh, well, one day I was in the office not a long time ago with him and he did say, oh,
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I've got a migraine.
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And straight away he took like lots of pills and then go and lie down and he's got a cell
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phone in his office and he just lies down with something on top of him.
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So he's got no light.
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And then within two hours he wakes up and then you feel like he can continue his day.
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Not great, but definitely that's the way he, he handles it.
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So for him, when I started having migraine probably in the last two years, more regularly
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he keeps saying just as soon as you see it, it's coming, it's coming to you, just take,
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you know, a few pills and then go and lie down and you'll be fine.
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Which I tried, but it didn't really work for me.
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So if you try, so if, let's say you have that aura and then you need to go in a dark room,
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when do you take the medication and what happens?
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So as soon as you see the aura, well that's what they say, you take, um, so which I have
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now in my car with me because I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm really scared about it to happen while
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I'm driving the children or anything like that.
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So I've got ibuprofen or norepinephrine and then I've got some paddle and my husband say
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just take two of each, which is quite a lot, especially for somebody like me.
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I actually don't take any pain relief normally.
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Um, so I, yeah, so I've tried that.
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He said, as soon as you see it, you feel it coming, boom, you take them straight away
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and then you try to get home and lie down.
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Um, which I, yeah, as I said, I tried, but it's sure I, maybe it made me go to go to
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sleep because I'm not used to take painkillers.
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So it definitely sent me to sleep.
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But when I wake up, you know, later on, I still have it.
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I feel really awful in my tummy and the following day I still feel completely out of it.
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So it doesn't really work for me.
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You're feeling a bit like medication hangover.
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I just, I mean, obviously you're really tired from your having a migraine, but yeah, medication
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doesn't really help.
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And so then do you need to cancel things then?
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Um, well, like I said, like sometimes I'm not there for my children because, you know,
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I promised them to do something that I can't, um, I had, I had this instance where I had
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a friend that I brought, um, to my, to, um, to type of, you know, to give her a bit of
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And halfway through we actually, I start having a migraine.
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I have to ask her to finish the travel for me.
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I asked her to drive an hour and a half.
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She was a bit nervous about that.
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And then we got to, we got to destination and then I had this great play, great day planned
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for her and I couldn't do any of it.
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I said, I'm sorry, I've got a migraine.
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I just have to go and lie down.
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So that was a real disappointment.
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Um, and, and yeah, so recently as well, I just, um, I, as you know, I've, I've lived
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in Hong Kong for 10 years and I've got all these amazing friends in Hong Kong who's become
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my family and quite a few of us were here in New Zealand.
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So we decided to do this big party and had caterers and all that.
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It was, I was so looking forward to that night.
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I was so excited and, and, and so I went and, and my husband always said to me, I'm a bit
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boring because I don't drink enough alcohol.
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So I thought, oh, tonight I'm going to, I'm going to have a great time.
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I'm going to have a bit more to drink and be a bit silly and, you know, let my head
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down and have fun anyway.
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So I had a couple of champagne that night and boom, straight away, within an hour, start
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having blue vision and I'm like, oh my God, start feeling pain in my tummy.
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I'm like, this is it.
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And I was just talking to a good friend of mine, which actually is the husband of my
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So I don't usually spend a lot of time with him and we're having this great conversation.
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Then all of a sudden I start feeling really ill and I'm like, let's tell him, I said,
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Not that I'm not enjoying this conversation, but I'm actually having a migraine and I need
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And he just looked at me like, okay, the poor guy, I was like, oh my God, I'm so sorry.
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And then my husband was just arriving at the party and I said to him, you should take
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I've got a migraine.
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He looked at me like, he could tell he was so disappointed because we're going to have
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Well, now we're roommates and now I'm like, I have to go home.
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So anyway, I went home and he said to me, and actually a few people said to me, oh,
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take some paddles.
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And then, and then even my husband took me all the way home.
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He says, oh, you want me to get you some new paddles?
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I said, no, I'm not going to take anything like that.
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And he looked at me, he says, but wow, I said, I think now I know how to handle my
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So I'm going to have my little tisane and I'm going to go to bed and then hopefully
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I will feel okay in two hours.
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So that's what I did.
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I had, you know, a few little things that I know potentially could help, fell asleep.
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And then two hours later I woke up and the aura was gone.
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I still felt exhausted because, and I still have a bit of a, um, you know, a headache
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at the back, but very mild that I could actually function.
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So yeah, I got up and I went back to the party and had a great time with my friends.
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I mean, I didn't drink any more alcohol.
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So you can, but I, yeah.
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But even though my friends, when they saw me coming, it's like, I got to bring you back.
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They were all like yelling and all excited for me.
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And yeah, and it's funny because I said, see, I just, maybe I just can't do champagne anymore.
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And my friend's like, oh, don't be silly.
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And I said, well, no, because look, I almost missed out on this great party.
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And you were soaking to see your friends.
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And I was, the FOMO was weird.
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I got home and I had to go to bed.
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I was still all dressed up and I think I was like, let's just stay all dressed up because
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maybe I'll wake up and I can still go.
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Maybe I can manage this one out.
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Was it a special moment in your cycle?
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It was exactly, I think the beginning of my cycle.
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So I mean, I should have known better.
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So it was a champagne and that time was an acute champagne or a very expensive champagne.
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It was very nice champagne.
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But yeah, it was silly because I, you know, but that's the thing.
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You get to learn more and more about your limitation.
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And I think that's great.
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I have to thank you because even though I was already, I could see the signs, but yeah,
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I think you empower me to listen more to the sign and actually to pay really attention.
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I think, you know, maybe you follow me for like three or four months and then, you know,
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because every day you're saying how you're feeling and, you know, you're taking all these
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things and you can tell how you're feeling about, you know, every day and then you start
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realizing, oh, actually it's linked to my cycle and usually it's two days before my
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So that's when, you know, five days before that, I have to start being very careful about
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what, you know, what the things that could add to my diet to help me and, you know, and
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the thing at 50 should be drinking alcohol.
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Because indeed, as you had sort of studied migraines for two years, this is when we met.
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Do you want to quickly comment on when we met?
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We haven't talked about that.
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So Deanne and I, we're both Belgian.
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And as we know, there's not many Belgians in New Zealand, so that was quite cool.
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And we met with another Belgian guy who used to come back and forth for work.
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And I remember him saying, I can't believe you don't have any Belgian friends in your
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I moved here three years ago and I guess pandemic and all that.
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I said, I just, yeah, I don't know how to meet them.
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And I only had one other from the school, but she's Flemish Belgian, so it's a bit different.
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Not in a bad way, but just, we still speak English, so it just became strange.
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Anyway, so then he said, I'm going to bring you Deanne.
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I think you and, you know, you'll hit off really well.
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And so anyway, so you came and then, yes, I think it was so much in common.
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The fact that we both lived in Asia, we've been expat for a long time.
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We've got children, same age.
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And also, you know, you're very interested in, I think we get the same idea about how
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to look after our own health and how to try to empower ourselves and actually think that
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we can make a difference for our own, you know, and actually look into it.
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Not just saying, oh yeah, I wish I could do that.
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And then you just wait for somebody to rescue you.
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I think I've always had a part where I've always been very interested in what I'm eating
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and how can I make it better for my children?
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Not taking too much medication if I can't help it, you know?
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And I remember, so we sat on your sofa outside and we talked about lots of things.
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We talked about your work in jewellery.
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And we talked a little bit about my work and we really hit it off.
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And then later, I think a couple of days later, or maybe you took the test, I remember.
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I don't know how you felt about it.
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Because when you mentioned migraine, I was like, I just think the universe is like so
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Because I feel the last few years have been like that.
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Like I have those migraines a bit more regularly and then, boom, Diane appears in my life and
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says, that's what she does.
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Like, and I'm like, this is a sign.
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And when you have those signs, you have to look into it and you actually have to think,
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OK, maybe there's something into it.
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And if there is, there's nothing.
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At least you gave it a shot, right?
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And that's what I was like, I'm definitely going to follow up on.
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You said, oh, you should reach out to me and, you know, see if I can help you.
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And I was like, I'm definitely doing that.
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So I said, I'd love to try.
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And then I did the test and, yeah, and then you helped me for a few months, which was
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And then you start to learn about your body.
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And I love that story where you go to a party and you resist medications.
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You take a few infusions and you're back to your party.
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I think it's finale.
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And I remember you saying to me, you'll do this for your migraine, but then actually
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it's going to open you up to realizing how good you can feel and you become addicted
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to it and you're going to want to look more and more and more into your health.
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And it's really that you really open a can of worms.
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And I was actually just having a conversation last night with my husband about it.
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I'm 42, so I guess I'm quite young, depending on who you compare yourself to.
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But I think I've never felt as good in my life.
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I mean, I probably did when I was super young, but, you know, I don't have any pain or
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I have heaps of energy.
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I just I feel great.
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I feel really empowered by that.
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And that's why I said to him, I said, you know, it's amazing that, you know, I've
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learned all these things and I feel like it's really helped me out in a big way and, you
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It's an amazing feeling.
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Oftentimes when I meet women, I think of when the first onset of migraine was and I'm like,
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OK, let's go and take you back one year before that health wise.
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And it's that phenomenon of I can do anything and and I can actually converse with my body
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and I can listen to it and I can attend to it and I can get the results I'm after.
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And each time I'm doing that once, I'm just learning a little bit more about about me.
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So no, I have to thank you for that.
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The power of food, the power of nature.
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You have a beautiful herb garden yourself.
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And you really walk your talk.
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So it's really nice to see you.
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No, I'm passionate about growing your own things.
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I feel like we have to take a part in all of that being sustainable, you know, all of
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this has been important to me.
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So it's just, you know, it's like the full circle of life at the end of the day, you
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I mean, how were all these people surviving before we had all these medication for absolutely
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And all the medication, usually the thing that started it was a plant or, you know,
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So I feel like we are losing that.
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And it's not always easy to find the knowledge.
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And also, what what will correspond to you, what will relieve you from a migraine can
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give a migraine to someone else.
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And so so that's a complexity to navigate.
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But once you know how your body works, that's, I guess, all you need to know.
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And I think also we're in a days and age where we go to the doctor and we want him to tell
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us what's wrong with us.
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And we want him to give the magic pill to us and go home.
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And within three days, we're going to be fine.
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And actually, this is not how sometimes it works.
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And that's what I loved about your work is, you know, it's like it's you know, you you
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learn more and more about what works and what doesn't work for you.
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It's very empowering in the end when you actually get the right medication, you know, through
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the normal health.
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Through the plants and supplement, whatever you're going to take.
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But that's really powerful.
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You have that in your kitchen.
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You can, you know, self-adjust.
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A lot of women, I find, you know, have lost their sense of intuition.
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Like initially you had that intuition when you were on the beach in Sydney, but then
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sometimes you find in that moment and sometimes you get a bit lost because, you know, intuitively
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things don't make a lot of sense.
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That can also happen.
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But the recourse to, OK, I'm going to take a pill to silence that noise is, yeah, it's
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Especially when it doesn't really work.
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You think, oh, is it really?
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And you don't know, actually.
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If I didn't take that pill, maybe my symptoms would be even worse.
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So maybe you think it's working, but no, absolutely.
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But, you know, if I didn't work with you and I went to that party a few weeks ago and I
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would have come home and take those pills, there's no way I would have come back.
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But now I was able to go back and I didn't take anything.
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That is incredible.
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What I've learned, like working with all of these women, is the ability to stop a migraine
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when it starts, like at different stages, it's like you can actually stop it in its
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course once you start to really know yourself.
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And I love that example because it's really like all of the advice that you received and
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that you fought because you know yourself and your instinct to go in your kitchen and
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know yourself what to take.
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And also why the migraine occurred in the first place.
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Yeah, that's right.
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Because I had the same thing.
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I had a whole band of insomnia for a while, which was kind of similar time where we start
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And I remember having a dinner with a doctor at my house and she's a cancer doctor.
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She's helped so many women with breast cancer.
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She's unbelievable.
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And herself has insomnia.
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And anyway, I was saying to her, oh God, I'm just, I'm at the end of it.
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I've got insomnia.
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I just don't sleep.
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And of course, then I'm having more migraine and there's all the other things that's happening.
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Remember her saying, oh, well, you know, I'm taking this, what's the thing, the natural
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Every night it works a charm.
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And she was taking quite a bit.
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And I'm like, but don't you feel like you have to take more and more and more?
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And is that not an issue long term?
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She said, no, it's all natural.
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You should do that.
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And I remember saying to her, I said, I'm actually really not keen to take melatonin.
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And that's another, you know, because I took it when I was much younger and it was a terrible
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And I said, I feel like I need to go to the core of the problem because I'm 42 and I'm
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pretty much very healthy.
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Why am I not sleeping?
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And I've got a great life.
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I've got a husband who loves me, beautiful children.
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I mean, everything's good.
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But I can't sleep.
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So there's obviously something out there.
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And and I remember her saying, oh, but just take melatonin because actually you need to
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sleep and then, you know, the migraine will go because you've been more rest now.
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Anyway, she's also have terrible migraine, I think, because obviously she's not sleeping
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that well because even though the melatonin make her sleep, probably doesn't make her
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And she has migraine.
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I told her about you.
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And I think she's a very busy doctor and I think she does not allow herself to take the
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time to think about it.
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Otherwise, it catches up with you.
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And melatonin, you know, maybe I'll do a podcast just on melatonin and migraines.
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I'd say your intuition is right.
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It's not so much that melatonin is not very natural, but I see that women really struggle
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to get rid of it physically.
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So my hypothesis is that it stays stuck in the large intestine and therefore creates
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more toxicity for the vagus nerve and therefore, long term, permeates into sort of constant
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migraine at a minimum, like a light to a mild migraine, which sort of never goes away anymore.
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But imagine for somebody like her who's saving lives and she's actually not on top of her
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own migraine and she, you know, it's just...
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It's extremely hard.
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And so when you think of her or when you think of other women, we've talked a little bit,
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like, you know, I take care of women who have, you know, on a scale of one to ten, ten being
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the highest, they're at eight or nine every single day.
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And these are, you know, women who, they don't, they don't live really, they live a life in
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between parenthesis, live a life that are absolutely controlled and governed by migraines.
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What sort of messages would you have for these women?
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Well, I think if you live like that, I think why would you give it a shot at everything?
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And definitely I would, I would just make it a priority to try this because, you know,
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what do you have to lose?
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You only have something to gain, really.
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And I mean, for me, when I have a migraine, it's also probably level eight, but it lasts
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And I know every, every time at the end of the day, I'm like, and when it's, when I'm
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finally, finally feeling good, I'm like, oh my God, thank God this is just one day.
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And I always think about people who are sick with cancer and have sick, all these different
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medicine and feel terrible.
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And I'm like, I understand what, sorry, I shouldn't say that, but what people and their
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life because it's not living.
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So it's really, you know, it's very important to listen to your body and actually try something
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like this because it's completely worked for me.
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And it's changed my life because I'm not as anxious as I used to be around, around the
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And yeah, and then knowing as well the power to know that if one comes, I know how to deal
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And, you know, 80% of the time I'll be fine.
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And that's pretty amazing.
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It does take the anxiety away.
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Thank you very much.
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Thank you for your time.
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