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Hello, this is the Migraine Heroes podcast, a podcast where we share real stories from
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real people suffering and battling with migraine disease.
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In this podcast, we seek to provide support, hope, holistic health, advocacy, and inspiration
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for those who suffer from migraine disease.
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Thank you so much, Wendy, for taking the time to be with me today.
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Well, it's my pleasure.
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Thank you so, so much.
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I massively look forward to having this conversation with you.
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So how did migraines start in the first place in your life?
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As I was looking back at my journey, I realized that they started probably when I was around
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When menstruation started, I would get really massive, what my mom would say was a headache.
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But now looking back, I realized it was a migraine because they just would last so long.
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And she also had migraines, but called them a headache as well.
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But now when I look, you know, I realized too, that's what she was struggling with.
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So that's how it started.
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And so how, you know, what would she do for you?
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And you know, can you give us an example, maybe your first sort of attack?
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So she would just tell me to take a warm bath, that would be her, and to lay down.
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She never really talked about medication.
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It wasn't until my sister had a friend over who was a doctor, and I had mentioned that
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I was really struggling with what I thought was a headache, and it just wouldn't go away.
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And he recommended Tylenol.
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So that was the first time that medication was really presented to me to take.
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And he told me to take extra strength and as much as I could at, you know, one setting
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and then to take it again if it didn't go away.
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And it did help some, not perfectly, but it did at least take the edge off.
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And so you're going through your teenage years with that.
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So do you carry it with you or that's not yet needed?
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I was young and not educated, you know, as far as what, you know, on medication and things
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So I think I just a lot of times suffered through it, just would go lay down and maybe
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not go somewhere because I was feeling so sick.
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Did you sometimes have to cancel plans or?
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I don't remember just canceling specific plans, but I do remember, I do remember having
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to lay down and take a nap and complaining that I just didn't feel well.
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That's a recollection that I have.
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And then life moves on and what happens?
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I'm in my 20s now and my, when I would get again, my menstruation, my headaches would
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just get worse and worse.
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To the point where I then had another friend recommend that I take a high dose of ibuprofen.
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And so then that's, I started to do that.
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I would just take a very high dose again, take the edge off, but would not completely
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take the migraine away.
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So I just struggled through, just suffered through and didn't really think there was
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much I could do about it.
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And so can you describe when you say take the edge off, what does it look like?
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So for me, a lot of them are my, the migraines that I have are behind my eyes and it would
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actually make my eyes swell.
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And it would, so it would, it would take away some of that inflammation, I guess, behind
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So then the migraine would be a little bit lessened by that.
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And then you still had sort of a drawing something in the background.
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Did you feel clear in your mind or did you feel?
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No, I felt I would, I had a lot of dizziness.
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And then I would feel like brain fog, like when I'd want to reply to someone, it wouldn't
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come quickly, you know, during that time.
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And I just didn't realize that was part of it.
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I just, again, had no knowledge of why I was feeling the way I was feeling.
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I still wasn't diagnosed with migraines at that time.
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It was just considered that I had really bad headaches.
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And did you, did you feel different to other people or did you not care that much or?
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If I was to ask, my family did do remember me being sick a lot, but I don't think they
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really realized that it was from migraines or anybody really realized it.
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Because you were just bedridden a lot and so they would interpret that as sickness.
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And just thought that I had really bad, what we would call periods, you know, they just
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thought I had really bad ones.
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And so they just, cause it was more during that time and that time of my life.
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So we just considered I was just one of those women that had really rough periods.
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Which by the way I mentioned passing, you should not have rough periods, right?
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Like I think we're in a society.
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They just think you should just accept it.
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And that's just the way it is.
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And that's why we're taught, you know, oh, you poor thing, you know, I'm sorry, you have
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really rough times of the month, you know?
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And so this is just a quick parenthesis if you're listening to us and this is you just,
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you know, you don't have to accept it.
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There's a way out of this, but it's not meant to be pinned like that.
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And so you're bedridden a lot.
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You take ibuprofen more and more to take the edge off.
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How often would that be?
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Do you have a sense at that time?
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During menstruation, I would take the high dose of ibuprofen every day.
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Until the pain would start to go down and then I would stop taking that.
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And then the rest of the month, I would feel fine.
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It was just, I had a long cycle, so it could be like five to seven days that I would be
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struggling at this time.
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And did that mean at that stage, like you would be off of your normal activity?
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Trying to think, I think I just pushed through, you know, I went to work, I just, you know,
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I realized now you just, you just suffer, you know, you just, you just do what you need
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And when I would come home from work, then I would lay down and get like a heating pad
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or, you know, get something, take some of the pain away, you know, just thought it was
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part of life and just pushed through.
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And so, so at home, obviously you could be sort of yourself and have that moment of relaxation.
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How did you do it at work?
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Did you, did you let any of your colleagues know?
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I just, I was always taught to work hard, which is a good trait, but, but we were all,
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all of us kids were taught to work hard.
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And so when you're at work, you know, you just, you put your head down and got your
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work done, you know, and so I just thought that's what I needed to do, push through.
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There were times, I do remember a couple of times, one place that I worked, they actually
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did have a restroom that had a couch.
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And so during my lunch break, I would go lay down and a little bit of relief.
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So I did get to do that at one of my jobs, but that was the only job that had something
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And so, and then life continued to go on?
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So life continues.
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I just think this is just part of my life.
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And it was after I had my children, I had twin boys and they just got the migraines
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that I, I was still calling them headaches, had gotten worse and worse.
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And I was back home visiting my family.
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I live in Arizona and my family is in New Jersey.
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I was back visiting in New Jersey and I happened to mention to my sister, I said, I've taken
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I've taken ibuprofen.
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My headaches have gotten really bad and nothing helping.
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And she said, well, I think you might have migraines.
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When you go home, you should talk to your doctor.
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So when I got home, I made an appointment and he, after talking to me, he said, yes,
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you are struggling with migraines.
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And then that started with a tryptan medication.
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This would have been about in my late thirties.
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And so that felt like you felt heard and maybe understood, at least have a name to?
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I felt heard, but I didn't feel any empathy.
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It was with the, not to put men down, but it was with a male doctor.
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And it was just kind of like, I've heard this in the other podcast too.
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Like you're a woman.
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This is, you know, unfortunately this is what you struggle with.
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But the good news is we have a medication we can get you that will, will help you.
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So you walk away, you, it's funny.
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I felt relieved that I had something to use, but I also felt a little bit like a failure
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that I had to take something that was like that.
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Yeah, that absolutely makes sense.
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That absolutely does.
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You see that when I was discussing with Dr. Zhang, she said in the podcast we did together,
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she said something fascinating.
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She said in traditional Chinese medicine, in order to become a doctor, to be chosen
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for that career path, that profession, you needed to have two major qualities.
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One was intellect and so extreme literacy.
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So you can go back and read really old texts.
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The second thing you needed to have was a lot of empathy because emotions are also part
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And so it's interesting because in our culture, it's completely out, it's pure intellect.
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Yet nowadays we started to scratch the surface of actually emotions are also important and
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understanding for them as part of their curriculum.
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They also have psychology at the job because they're saying, you know what, if the person
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struggles with something emotional, he has to be able to identify, address and solve
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You know, because otherwise they can't, you know, let go of their feelings.
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And this is really important for their remission.
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So it's interesting what you say about feeling sort of diagnosed, but then also expedited
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with kind of, yeah, if you have a defect, you're one of those women, move on.
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And so then you start to take these medications and they help you.
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So they helped me.
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So I'm like, wow, this is good.
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But I was, again, not told how to take the medication.
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And I was told to take a whole pill, which is a hundred milligrams.
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And I really should have only been taken half.
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So the first time I took one, I felt my migraine went away, but I had some side effects where
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I felt very dizzy.
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I had to lay down.
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I felt nauseous, sick, you know, just sick to my stomach.
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And I had to sleep for a couple hours after I took it.
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Again, it wasn't until I talked to my sister again that was familiar with it.
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And she said, explained to me, oh, my goodness, you know, the doctor should have told you
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to start with a half a pill.
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And so then again, when I did that, I did still feel a little bit nauseous taking it
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and just didn't feel good with it, but it took the migraine away, but I didn't have
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to sleep for a couple hours.
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I was now able to kind of work through it and it wasn't as bad, just taking half of
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And so at that stage of your life, after your twin boys, what is the frequency now of your
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So now, at that point, it started to be where I would get them before my menstruation, during
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So you're looking like now, instead of having the five to seven days, it's more like 14
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And once I would get through that, then I would go back to at least having two good
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weeks, but then it would start all over again.
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Now, that's a whole new rhythm, especially when you have twin boys in the house, right?
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And feeling very dizzy.
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That's when I called them.
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I said, I think maybe something's wrong.
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I'm so dizzy when I stand up.
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I feel like I was scared because I was at home with my boys.
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Of course, my husband needed to work and I was at home and I was alone and I was afraid
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that I was going to pass out, you know, and you just need to drink more water.
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You know, they had empathy, but they just said, you know, we're sorry, you're struggling
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The best thing we can tell you to do is to drink more water, you're dehydrated.
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But now when I look back, I realized it wasn't that, it was these other things that were
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going on in my body with my liver and the things that I've learned since talking to
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And so were you ever scared or did you ever like, I don't know, contemplate, okay, if
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I'm dizzy or if I'm really unwell and something happens, what then?
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Or did that not cross your mind?
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It did cross my mind.
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And I called my husband and he actually has been very empathetic.
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He wished he could always help me more.
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He's always been a great supporter.
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So if I did feel that way, I would call him and just tell him and then he would wait for
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me to maybe respond.
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And if I didn't, then he would know that maybe something was wrong, as sad as that sounds,
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that's kind of what we did until I would better, you know, I would check in with him.
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And then once I felt better, I would call him back and say, I'm okay now during those
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So he was sort of on call, on standby.
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And if you were not answering, then he would intervene.
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And sometimes he did have to come home because the migraines were so massive.
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Again, I didn't want to, you know, I knew he needed to work.
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I wouldn't ask him to come home unless it was so extreme that I could not care for the
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twins and he would willingly, of course, always come home.
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But then there's a guilt with that, you know, taking him from work.
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Not that he ever made me feel that way.
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It was just more coming from myself.
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But that's how we did that.
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And he was very empathetic and wished he could help me and would try to give me suggestions
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on things to do and, you know, things like that.
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But he didn't know what to do either, but just to be there, you know, when he could.
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Look, I have found, you know, husbands overall, absolutely remarkable, you know, just with
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so much empathy, so much willingness to help, so much feeling this heart and because they
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also see the evolution of how much medication is required.
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And yet the effect of sort of medication overuse headaches and rebound migraines that are coming
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And that's what he was saying too.
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He started to see that I was taking more and more medication.
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So then we thought about going to a place for pain management, which we thought they
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were going to help me with alternatives, but then they to give me more medication.
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And then I got I got worse because they were giving me even more medication.
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And he felt so bad because he was trying to help me.
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And we both thought this was going to be an answer and it wasn't.
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And I actually ended up in the ER because I could no longer fight the migraines with
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medication because it was the, you know, it's having the rebound effect from that.
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And so can you describe the experience in the ER and what happened before?
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So I actually had COVID as well during this time.
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So this was August 2023.
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For the first time I had COVID that I know of.
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And I was really, really sick.
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And the headaches during that time were just awful.
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And then I started feeling better, but the headaches were not going away.
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And my medication was no longer working.
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So when I took sumatriptan, Tylenol, ibuprofen, it didn't even take the edge off and it got
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Believe it or not, I still tried to go to church.
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We go to church every Sunday and I was actually sitting in church and I just had such a pain
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I didn't know how I was going to drive home.
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My husband was actually at a golf event, so he wasn't with me.
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And I was there with my son and I'm driving home and we usually we would go out to lunch
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And I told him, I said, I'm so sorry, I just have to get us home.
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And then when I got home, I just could not take it.
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I felt like somebody was stabbing me in my head, just like stabbing.
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It was just excruciating.
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It was probably the worst one I ever had.
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And I called my husband and he did not even think about it.
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He rushed home and he said, we're going to the ER right now.
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You cannot be in, this is not fair to you to be in this much pain.
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That's how I ended up in the ER.
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And so, and so what happened there?
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Like did he give you more medication?
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Did you put in the doctor?
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So what happened is they talked to you and find out they were empathetic.
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They were some good doctors and they gave, but then they gave me more medication, but
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it allowed me to sleep and I was able to, yeah, I was able to calm down and they were
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able to send me home.
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But through that, they were the first ones to tell me, they gave me a list of foods.
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They said, you really need to look at your triggers.
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And no one had ever said that to me.
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And I said, what do you mean by triggers?
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And they started talking to me about foods that, like chocolate, wine, things with nitrates.
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So just a few things.
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And they just said, you may want to start looking at your triggers.
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And so that's what started, I was just taken aback because this is an ER doctor telling
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me and wondering why no other doctor ever told me.
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So I'm like, wow, I'm like, okay, so that got my mind thinking.
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And I really started to research, but I didn't know where to begin.
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And so one weekend, can I talk about how I came to you then at this point?
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So I was really struggling one weekend.
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It was like one of those where I had one Friday night, Saturday night into Sunday where it
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just wouldn't go away.
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And I've already been to the ER, so now I'm going to cry.
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So I'm feeling hopeless and scared, and I don't want to have to have my husband take
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me to the ER again.
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And I'm not understanding because I felt like I had done everything that was on that list
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that they told me, and I'm still struggling.
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And I had changed my diet.
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But again, I don't know what I'm supposed to eat and when I'm not, I know a few things.
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And so I just started praying, okay, I want to get through this.
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It's okay, take your time.
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And my prayer was very humble.
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I said, Lord, you tell us that you heal us, and I've been asking you to heal me.
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And so if this is how you believe I need to live my life, I trust you.
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But if this is not what you have for me, then I pray that you will open doors for me and
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give me wisdom on what I should do.
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And I just got on my knees and I just laid that before the Lord.
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And at this time, I was seeing a chiropractor, which was giving me a little bit of relief
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because I was also having some neck pain.
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And so it just got me to start Googling, and I started Googling alternatives to migraines
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And somehow I found you.
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When I was Googling, I found a podcast called My Neck's Your Health.
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And I'm like, what is this?
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And I started listening to it.
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And I could not stop listening to your podcast because I felt for the first time, like, oh
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my goodness, these women are being heard, you know, and they're not crazy.
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And they're not, they're actually looking to be healed instead of, it's like a light
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bulb went on, all these medications that I've been taking, all they're doing is a Band-Aid.
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Like they were not going to ever help me long term.
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They were just going to take my pain away.
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And then I was going to start the whole process again.
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And for the first time, I felt hope.
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And I felt like God had sent me, you know, to your program.
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And because I don't even, to be honest, I don't know how I found you when I was Googling
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for that, I had to intervention because you're in New Zealand, you can't say it right, New Zealand.
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And so I filled out your questionnaire and I'm feeling very vulnerable.
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And I'm feeling like at this point, you know, I kind of give you the short version, but
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I have tried so many medications.
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I've tried eating correctly, I had the right exercises, tried getting sleep.
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So I have tried so many things.
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I'm now, you know, in my fifties.
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So it's been a long journey.
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And so I'm feeling vulnerable.
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But something in me just said, Wendy, fill out the questionnaire.
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And then you reached out and told me to make an appointment, a Zoom appointment.
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My heart's pounding, like, are you crazy?
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Like who are, what are you doing?
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And so I make the appointment and it was very surreal.
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My first meeting with you, I, again, I'm feeling vulnerable, you know, I'm like, it's
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Is this woman really hearing me?
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And you did, that was the first time I, you told me the best thing you said, your migraines
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are an alarm, letting you know that everything isn't right instead of the other way around.
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Like you're not right.
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So you're have, so that's why you're a woman.
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So that's why you're having migraines, whereas your body's trying to talk to you.
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And like, that was the first time a light bulb went on of like, wow, I don't have to
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There's something else going on and has been for years.
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And it's just gotten worse.
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And I just felt, I just felt at peace when I talked to you.
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It was crazy because we had just met and I just felt connected.
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And I can see how you connect with other women too, because you truly have a heart to help
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us and I'm amazed at your heart.
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I was telling somebody today about you and how, when you looked at your child and you're
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like, what am I doing with my life?
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I want to help people.
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And that shines through.
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I mean, that just shines through.
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It means the world, Wendy, it means the world.
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Everything you said makes me also very emotional.
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With migraine disease, we only have each other to make a difference.
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If you know of someone suffering from migraine attacks, share this podcast with them.
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Maybe I want to tell you my part of the story, you know, in all of that time with you, since
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I think when I, something I never share with people.
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When I started, I thought of doing this, I had a lot of external power to move me to
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People I had never met.
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Like I was feeling a lot, a lot, a lot of energy of, you know, I think people, you know,
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trying to help others.
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It's a really bizarre feeling.
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And so, you know, when we met, you know, a lot of, yeah, a lot of my team members, they
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also believe in God and, and they also do their prayers.
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And so I said, you know, maybe, maybe we should also sometimes pray, you know, for these women
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who suffer so much and, you know, so they find a way.
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And I remember you found me, you were one of the first ones.
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So we started the Migraine Heroes podcast and I didn't know if those stories would interest
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I was obsessed with them.
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I was on the receiving end of so many and I was like, oh my God, you know, initially
[23:34]
when I said I could help, I never expected, you know, so many, I mean, stories that were
[23:40]
completely surreal and so different to what you see on social media.
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And I said, I don't know if it's going to interest anyone, but I'd like to, I like these
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stories to be told because I, you know, I think it's just, it's not normal.
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We leave women like that and we let them down so much.
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And we suffer silent.
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We suffer so silently.
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And so sometimes when I'm in my bed, I'm just going to have that moment of meditation where,
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I don't know, it's a bit like I tune my brain on the pain frequency and I'm like, well,
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I'm just going to try to send a bit of positive energy, you know, where it's possible, you
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know, because it's just so hard.
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So were you praying at the same time I was praying?
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And I really thought, you know, it's just incredible how, you know, how people find
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And so you told me and I'm like, what happened after you prayed?
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And I think what you told me is you went on one of the podcasts on, on Spotify or on.
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And you tried to migraine.
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In fact, it was one that you were talking to someone else and then they referred me.
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I remember now it wasn't even on my Nectar Health.
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You were on someone else's podcast.
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And then that, and then that led me to my Nectar Health because I know then I Googled
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And so, um, and so I remember we met and I also visibly remembered at the end of our call,
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I said to you, um, I hope, I hope we get to make a podcast.
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I really think so.
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You know, because at that stage, you explain your life.
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I understand, you know, from the 97 questions, like, what are your problems?
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And I'm like, yeah.
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I mean, unless something, you know, pops up, like, I don't see why not.
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Like, you know, like, we're going to ace this.
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It's just, you know, not a walk in the park, but it's, you know, we've done this over and
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Let's do this for Wendy.
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And so I was really, um, I was really, really happy and I thought it was a really strange
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thing because, you know, when you do like what I do, you also, how do you reach out
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People will give you all sorts of techniques, but I think players are really good at reaching
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And one thing we didn't touch about, which I loved, um, I told you this week that I mastered
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the storms and one of my, you know, we didn't talk about triggers, but one of my major triggers
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is when a storm would come in, I would dread it.
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I would just be like happy that we're going to get the rain because I live in Arizona.
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You know, we're, we're in a drought.
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So happy that we have the rain.
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But then I knew for three days, I'm going to have a major migraine.
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And this week we had storms three times and crazy storms, you know, that came in and I
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actually got to enjoy them this week.
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So that was also a really cool thing.
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I think for me, that was the signal.
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Then you know, he sent me the message and he said, I beat the massive storm, the three
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I'm like, yeah, you're podcast ready.
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And it's so funny because you still like, you're nervous.
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Like I was still nervous.
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Like, I'm like, you're okay, Wendy, you're, you're okay.
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You can enjoy the rain.
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It's just so funny how, how you just get so used to accepting things and then just see
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It's just so humbling and I just thank, so thankful for God's mercy on me.
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And you know, like we have this incredible tech team who works a lot, you know, and,
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and they see the chat.
[27:16]
So we have inside the app, we have a chat where we chat, you know, on a very frequent
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And, um, and so, and so when they saw that message, you know, I, you know, I shared it
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I'm like, oh, look at that message.
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Um, I mean, they just, they were so, so happy because it's, I think, I think, you know,
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I, I, I, I pay people well, I think they do an amazing job, but they're not there for
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They're there for the impacts that they see, they do the difference that they see in the
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life of one, because they see the trackers, et cetera, and they see, you know, the results
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Um, and so I, uh, I'm just, I'm trying to get back your texts that you sent me, but
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I felt very emotional when you sent it.
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Um, and you said something along the lines of, um, you know, I've, I've been, uh, praying
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the Lord, you know, to have an answer, to have a, you know, a solution and I feel like
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you're the answer to my prayers and I, I felt so moved.
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It's funny because I was nervous to tell you that because I didn't know how, you know,
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you would feel, but I just felt like I had to, I'm like, what else?
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Tell them, like, you guys have been just wonderful and I, and I would agree your team is awesome
[28:23]
because there are some days that I would get scared through the process when something
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go away or, um, they were just so sweet and their response is, I understand why you're
[28:34]
a little bit nervous, but you're going to be okay.
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You know, just like try this and, um, and then just having, just realizing that it's
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going to take time and being, being supported, like it's just going to take time, but you're
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going to see the good in that.
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And, um, they just were, even when I may maybe could have been a little nicer, they were
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So sweet with their responses to, and I, when I say not nice, I, sometimes I would respond
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out of fear because of my past.
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And they were just so wonderful and it would just calm me, you know, it would just calm
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me like, okay, this is okay.
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And your body is going, you're going to, you and your body, you're going to learn how to
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work through this with the wisdom the Lord has given us, you know?
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So, um, and, um, and it's very true.
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Like when the team were used to anxiety and we're also used to, because women have historically
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taken so many medications, it can make them sometimes, you know, be a little bit more,
[29:37]
Like a little bit more anxious, but with a bit of a, you know, like, you know, quick
[29:41]
message and, you know, a bit of an, with an edge of the pain, that's just what you're
[29:50]
It's the edge of the pain.
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We're completely, uh, completely, um, understanding of that, extremely understanding of that.
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I remember also one day you mentioned that, um, you had been to a family event and, um,
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and that people in your family had commented on you losing weight.
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So what's so funny is when you, you know, part of your program, if it's okay that I
[30:15]
say it's about foods and teas and, and I, I really do like good food.
[30:21]
So for me, it was awesome.
[30:22]
Now I'm opened up to even more delicious food, but I, but they're nourishing food.
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Well, through this, I lost a ton of weight without even trying because I really didn't.
[30:35]
I stopped working out because those would just led to more migraines.
[30:40]
So I just went back to walking and then started following your, you know, the foods that you
[30:44]
recommended and the teas.
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Even my husband, he basically told me one day, okay, that's it.
[30:50]
You got to ask them to add some more fat in because you cannot lose, you cannot lose
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And I would show him my meals.
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I mean, they were huge.
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Like I eat three delicious meals a day and snacks and they're, you know, my plate is
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full, but I guess it's all the right foods for me, you know?
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And it just, I swear the food, I mean, the, the weight just melted off.
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I mean, and I was not, and I didn't even care about that to be honest.
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It was just a by-product of eating was right for me.
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And, and so if you, if you're not saying us, you're just hearing us, Wendy is this absolutely
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Absolutely gorgeous.
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Even after crying?
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And so, and so sometimes I do have women saying, oh my God, you're going to add foods.
[31:45]
I'm, I'm, I'm really paying attention to my weight and like, don't worry.
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Like losing weight is not removing food.
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Losing weight is having your body operate and deal with food much better.
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And so I could say that for sure.
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Do not worry about that.
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So like we're just adding in the body just deals with, with all kinds of foods a lot
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It's a lot more balanced is it has less cravings and less things like that.
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I don't have cravings.
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I'm, I'm not really hungry.
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Like right before it's about time to eat, I start getting hungry and then I'm so satisfied
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after my meal, I don't really think about food until my next meal, which that never
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used to be the case.
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What I was doing is I ate a lot of good food, but because my body wasn't in order, I still
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So I would, you know, eat in between my healthy meals, I'm grabbing at sugar cause I'm tired.
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I'm not feeling well.
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Or I just before a migraine, I would have a sugar craving.
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And so I don't, I don't, I don't have that anymore.
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And so when I meet a woman, I'm like, it's a symptom and they're like, really?
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I'm like, yeah, it's not a lack of will.
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It's not like you just, you know, can't have the willpower to resist it.
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It's physiological.
[33:05]
And that amazed me more than anything, especially over the holidays.
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Like I had a table full at one event that's full of delicious, wonderful looking treats.
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And I had my fruit that I like that works for me.
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And I did not even, I didn't even miss it.
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I didn't even care because I would say that's also the awesome thing that I have now is
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I look at food as nourishing my body and it's so awesome.
[33:41]
So when I sit down to my meal, I'm like, this is going to do good for me.
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You know, thank you.
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And when I'm thanking him for my food, it's so different because I really see what it
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was meant to do and it was to nourish us truly, you know, and it's just so enjoyable.
[34:01]
It's a very different way to look at life and look at your body and look at nature.
[34:05]
I think for me, one of the things that, you know, I find that, you know, I have high respect
[34:11]
I have a lot of doctors in my family.
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This is essential.
[34:13]
It's also essential when you have migraines that the diagnostic be confirmed by a doctor
[34:18]
that you do an MRI if it's needed, that you follow the protocol.
[34:22]
And I did have an MRI.
[34:23]
I forgot to mention that I did and they found nothing.
[34:27]
And it's important.
[34:28]
These things really matter.
[34:29]
But then to say that throughout biology and evolution, a fifth of migrants, a fifth of
[34:35]
women have a neurological disorder.
[34:38]
So a fifth of the workforce that produces other humans has a strategic defect, like
[34:45]
doesn't make any sense.
[34:48]
And that's what you feel like.
[34:49]
You feel like you're a defect, which is crazy, right?
[34:52]
So many of us are feeling that way.
[34:55]
Because it's actually the other way around.
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You have a special power that allows you to be more intuitive with your food.
[35:07]
What if this doesn't?
[35:08]
This job suits me.
[35:10]
This person feels quite toxic.
[35:12]
I'm going to go away from that relationship.
[35:13]
This job is too stressful for me.
[35:16]
I'm going to go away from it.
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I'm going to go lie down.
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This has been too much light.
[35:21]
I'm going to close my eyes.
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This is a tool for longevity.
[35:24]
It's a tool for fertility.
[35:25]
It's a tool for protection of society.
[35:29]
And we're doing exactly the opposite.
[35:31]
I have, of course, over the years also taken care of other women who did not have migraines.
[35:37]
They came to me and said, I don't have migraines, but I have fertility issues.
[35:40]
I think you can help me.
[35:41]
Can you please do something for me?
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Of course, it's...
[35:43]
See, I had fertility too, and I didn't mean to cut you off, but I realize now if I would
[35:49]
have gotten help back then, you know, that would have been, but I'm sorry, go ahead.
[35:56]
And so they're less intuitive than you.
[35:58]
They're completely feasible to help.
[35:59]
And by now, all of the wisdom that these women with migraines have shared benefit women who
[36:05]
don't have migraines because the ones with migraines, they were just that extra, yeah,
[36:10]
extra smart, extra intuitive, you know?
[36:13]
And so also, you know, I have to say, when you tell your entire story, I can picture
[36:18]
you when you're 14 and when you're 16 and when you're 20 and when you're 30, because
[36:24]
I've met you in different versions.
[36:27]
And oftentimes, also when I know people, you know, they are 14, they're like, oh gosh,
[36:32]
you know, you can so much easily get out of this entire life and have a whole different
[36:39]
I think we need to get the word out there so that women just have a different life and
[36:43]
the life that they are actually meant to have and that they're designed for.
[36:52]
And not being told, well, this is just what you have.
[36:55]
And it's not to say that our moms didn't mean what was best for us, but they didn't
[37:01]
know any different either, you know, but this is what you have to accept, you know, because
[37:06]
we just didn't know any better.
[37:10]
So maybe, you know, I'd love to do something with you that I've never done and this should
[37:15]
be a bit of a, you know, a relief for a few.
[37:18]
But I'd love to do, this is so much suffering, so for me, it's very vocational what I do.
[37:25]
I think I, you know, like it's, I see that as a, I don't know, a mission, like my contribution,
[37:30]
what I can contribute to the world.
[37:33]
And so I'd love to pray with you.
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And if you can guide us into a prayer for all of those women who are in this very moment
[37:40]
and I define moment by this now when we recorded, but also each time a woman listens, you know,
[37:47]
if we can have that sort of eternal prayer that of those moment, those women, men and
[37:52]
children who are in pain at this moment.
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Well, dear Heavenly Father, we come to you in Jesus name.
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We thank you so much for people that you send into our lives that can help us, Lord, just
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in our right time of need.
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And Lord, I just pray for those that haven't found that yet.
[38:13]
I pray for the woman that's suffering silently, who doesn't, who's given up hope, doesn't
[38:18]
He feels like this is just what she has to accept.
[38:21]
I pray for the man that is also struggling and just feels like this is what he, what
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he's supposed to deal with in life.
[38:28]
And for that child who's now just starting to have migraines, Lord, I just pray for each
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I just pray that you would just touch them right where they're at and just open their
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eyes and send guidance to them, Lord, that this isn't the life that you have for them.
[38:45]
And I just pray for people that can come alongside them, that can support them and teach them.
[38:52]
And I just pray that programs like My Nectar Health will become more available to those
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around the world, like it became available to me.
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I'm just so humbled that you would send me to someone across the country.
[39:07]
And it's just amazing what your power can do, Father.
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And we just thank you for that.
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Thank you for having mercy on me and so many other souls out there that you have helped
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through this program and through other holistic programs, Lord.
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We're just so thankful for that.
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Thank you for the nourishment of your food that was made perfect and how you can give
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us wisdom and what's right for us, each individual person, Lord, through the guidance of those
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that you have given true wisdom to, Father.
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I just pray for anyone that's just suffering right now that felt the way I felt that night,
[39:42]
Lord, just totally hopeless.
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I just pray that you just show mercy on them.
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And I love that verse in Psalm 32, Oh, Lord, my God, I cried to you for help and you healed
[39:58]
I just pray that right now in the name of Jesus, Father, thank you for Diane and her
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team that have been vulnerable and who have reached out and have taken this challenge.
[40:10]
I can't even imagine all the things that they deal with, Lord.
[40:13]
I just thank you for their hearts and how they truly care about people.
[40:18]
I see that in each text and each conversation, and I just thank you for each one of them.
[40:24]
I just pray that you bless them for the work that they're doing, that you protect them
[40:27]
and keep them safe.
[40:28]
And I just pray that more people will find them, Lord.
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And we just thank you for the wisdom that you've given them and thank you for the healing
[40:35]
that you brought to so many of us.
[40:37]
And may you continue to guide and lead us and direct us in our life's paths, Lord.
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And may we be able to help someone and come alongside them as well, Father, in your name
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Thank you so much, Wendy.
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And there's two things you said in your prayer that, but one in particular that you touched
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upon is, can it reach a lot of us?
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And I think what I'm trying to do at this stage, you know, and the big vision or the
[41:05]
dream I have is, how do you reconnect the human with nature more through women who suffer
[41:12]
from migraines and make that really accessible and possible?
[41:16]
And so sometimes I'm in touch with a really good friend of mine who works at Google and
[41:20]
I'm, you know, hoping that in the long run, you know, someone with a lot more, a lot more
[41:25]
power than me can carry that to make it really, really large and accessible.
[41:30]
You know, my dream is it's in your pocket, it's, it's, you know, it's free of charge
[41:35]
and it does its thing.
[41:37]
And if you need, if you need a human, because things are really tough, there's a galaxy
[41:41]
of amazing people with incredible emotional quotient and incredible empathy that are here
[41:48]
to help you grieve and all of these things that need to happen.
[41:52]
So yeah, this is a part of my dream and I'm willing to be patient.
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I mean, the right human.
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I think you have done a great job with that.
[42:03]
I admire you and just, yeah, everything that you've done, it's amazing.
[42:08]
Thank you so much.
[42:09]
And I do remember one, one instances at the end of the conversation, you said to me in
[42:13]
the first instance we met, she's like, I can't believe I'm going to pay someone in New Zealand.
[42:18]
I felt so vulnerable.
[42:19]
You know, that's all I have left.
[42:20]
Go on LinkedIn and on LinkedIn, you will find me.
[42:21]
I said at the Harvard Business School, I promise you, if I had a criminal record, they would
[42:22]
have never let me.
[42:23]
And that was helpful.
[42:25]
I connected with you and I'm like, okay, she's looking for me.
[42:26]
And I'm like, okay, she's looking for me.
[42:27]
And I'm like, okay, she's looking for me.
[42:28]
And I'm like, okay, she's looking for me.
[42:29]
And I'm like, okay, she's looking for me.
[42:30]
But those people, their obligations was to make more money.
[42:53]
And my desire was to help more people.
[42:56]
And those things can very quickly come in conflict.
[43:00]
And so I decided to chart my own course and go on my own and do that with my own savings.
[43:06]
So that's what you see.
[43:07]
The reason that all of that work is expensive, especially when you have an internal chat
[43:11]
with real humans in an app that is on the App Store.
[43:14]
You would never do that if you were just trying to optimize for income.
[43:19]
And it's really a work of love.
[43:23]
And I think my kids really see that.
[43:25]
And my husband, he's completely behind me.
[43:27]
He says, let's transform lives.
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And I try to do well so you can do good.
[43:34]
What a wonderful, what a wonderful family.
[43:39]
Thank you so much, Wendy.
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Give them all my love.
[43:43]
And I'm so thankful.
[43:45]
They will all listen to your podcast.
[43:48]
Thank you so much.
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