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Hello, this is the Migraine Heroes podcast, a podcast where we share real stories from
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real people suffering and battling with migraine disease.
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In this podcast, we seek to provide support, hope, holistic health, advocacy, and inspiration
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for those who suffer from migraine disease.
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a substitute for medical professional advice, diagnosis, or treatment.
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Always consult with your health care provider for any health-related concerns.
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And remember, everyone and every situation is unique.
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Okay, so let's get going.
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Thank you so much for being here, Sylvie, I much appreciate it.
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We both live in Auckland.
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Thank you so much.
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So what we've been wanting to talk today is, you know, about your life and how migraines
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started in the first place for you.
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So actually, I was trying to remember, I think I'm going to say 16, probably maybe 15.
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But I remember, yeah, I started with really bad migraines.
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You know, the eyes, I had to close my eyes, had to be in a dark room, throwing up.
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So I went to see a doctor and I got these massive tablets, the pain tablets.
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So I think at the time they said they were pretty strong.
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I think they gave them to cancer patients for their pain.
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So it was really heavy stuff.
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Like if I took one, I'd be out for the day.
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Like it would just, I'd be sleeping all day.
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It would just knock me out.
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To be honest, it was probably the best thing for me anyway at the time.
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And so let's just stay on this for a minute.
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So you were having these sort of episodes.
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Who was guiding you in the family?
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But your mom and your dad?
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Initially, nothing.
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They just sent me to the GP and then he gave me these tablets and if I could take them
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early enough, then it would get rid of it.
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If I was too late, I would just start the throwing up cycle and that was it.
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I couldn't get anything down until everything, until I was throwing up bile and that's when
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So you had these tablets and then regardless of not being in pain, you were knocked out
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I was knocked out.
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I would just shut the door and sleep for the rest of the day.
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So cancel school and everything.
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So did it, I mean, was it at all predictable or how would you do with school stuff and
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I don't even remember.
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You just, like whatever.
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I can't figure it out.
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I think it probably, they probably didn't come very often.
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They were probably maybe around my period, I think.
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I think definitely hormonal.
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So maybe once a month or something.
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So it wasn't enough that it was that disruptive.
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I don't really remember.
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I just remember that I had them for a long time.
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Do you ever remember having it started at school or-
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It just started and that was it.
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What did happen after a while and my father had started seeing, funnily enough, a Chinese
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I don't know where he was.
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He's always been into his health.
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And she put my father on a gluten-free diet, but he was only allowed to eat white rice
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and cooked tomatoes.
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It was a very weird diet.
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Anyway, so I went to see her.
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And she did the same with me.
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But because I was so young-
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And I was, you know, I was traveling and it was the year I went to New York actually,
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just before she gave me this diet, you know, and I get to New York and it's all about the
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bagels and this and that.
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So I never really stuck with it and I was a bit angry.
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I was like, why do I have to do this?
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Why can't I eat normally like everybody else?
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So I kind of didn't really do it.
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So that was the first time diet ever came into the conversation, but I didn't quite
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understand why and why white rice and why cook tomatoes.
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Like it was, and it was a very restrictive, very restrictive, like everything was.
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And I just, instead of saying, oh, this is going to help me, I just thought, why are
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you taking all the joy out of my life?
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So I didn't really stick with it.
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So I just went back to the pills.
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And I lived off those pills for a long, long, long time.
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Still does similarly?
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It's already been speed evolved.
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No, it's the same because I knew they worked.
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So I used to get, you know, back in the day, they get prescription for whatever, you know,
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six months, whatever.
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So I'd have these boxes of my pills.
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And so you'd travel with your bags?
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I'd travel with my pills.
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And you'd travel them in your suitcase or would you travel with them in your bag?
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I'd have it always in mine.
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But then if you were feeling it's coming and you take one and it knocks you out, then you
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Well, I learned to dose, so I learned to cut them in, but if I could feel it a bit stronger,
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So I learned how to dose so that I didn't completely knock me out.
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I would only take a whole one if I was on that cusp of maybe too late and I knew I would
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possibly throw it up, but you know, you just, let's see what happens really.
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Actually, very good.
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And so you lived at that time, where were you living?
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So I was at home, but it just became, and I obviously can't tell you, I'm just, I'm trying
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to remember how long I had them.
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I've always had them, I think, or I just learned to kind of live with it.
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Sometimes they came more often, sometimes not so often.
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I do believe now, definitely, if I look back, probably stress and time of the month and
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whole minds and stuff have a lot to do with it.
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I didn't really look into it.
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I wasn't interested in that side of things.
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I just dealt, that was just what I had and that's what I lived with.
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So yes, I think until I had my children, I think when I was pregnant and I had the kids,
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I don't think I had any at that time.
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And then they started coming back again, I think a little bit, but not as bad.
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And then about 10 years ago, I didn't get them anymore, but I started getting the Moulinnières,
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the Vertigo, and that's a whole other, to me that feels worse than what I had before
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because I'd love to keep it on a, I could deal with that.
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So you were having sort of maybe once a month, a massive knockout, which was a discrete period
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But all of the rest of the time you were functioning.
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Now here you were on a constant lower level of pain, but not really able to function.
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No pain, but just, yeah, just Vertigo, not being able to stand up or concentrate or look
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at anyone or it was just, and the first time I had it, I thought it was something I'd eaten.
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And then I just kept getting them, you know, and these things come a lot more often.
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This is like, I can get a whole week of it just sitting in my head.
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And I know that if I'm not careful, if I don't do the right things, I'm in trouble.
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So it's a general balance.
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So can you describe it as Invisible Neurodisease?
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It's basically, it's like, I describe as having a really bad hangover and seasickness at the
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You can't stand up, you can't walk.
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I have to hold on to a wall to walk straight, so I lean on a wall to walk to the end of
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I often just stay in bed, but I know now that getting up and walking is much better and
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trying to get some fresh air and just keep moving.
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Sometimes the minute you lie down, it actually gets worse.
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Standing and moving, you don't feel it as much.
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It depends how far down I'm in, because then I also get the vomiting with this too.
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And often the sign is like, I'm very, very tired before, so like if I have to sit down
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and take a sleep in the afternoon, it's often a sign that something's coming.
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I think also I've learned that it's my neck.
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I know, I've realized that I'm afraid I have Pilates, and I will get it if anything, Friday
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night I can feel something coming, and I think it's from planking.
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I hold it all in my neck, and that's a definite trigger.
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But luckily I know my chiropractor, he knows where it is, so if I do feel it, like I should
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go and see him, he will quick, and it's gone.
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But what I will also do is I will drink my tea, I will eat all my foods that I know help
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straight away, and I think it's really weird.
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I don't know if it's one thing or another, or if it's lots of things at the same time.
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Fluids really help, I think also, and I think it's a stagnation or sort of like no movement.
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I've definitely got a problem with my neck, so yeah, I have to be careful, like before
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we had to swap seats because I can't look at you on the left because that triggers me
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It must be something in my neck, I can look at you to the right.
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So little things I've learned, but I'm much more aware now of my body and kind of like
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how am I feeling, what am I doing, so little things I can manage without taking, because
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I used to have to take anti-nausea tablets and headache tablets at the same time to study,
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but I have not done that since I started with you.
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I've learned to just use the food and the teas, or just go to my chiropractor and just
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put everything together at once.
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So it's interesting you say it's a combination of nausea and hangover, because the first
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time we met was on a boat.
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And I do worry now, like someone invited us on the boat at the weekend, and the thought
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of being on a boat, for me, I can't, I see sickness, it's like a trigger.
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My instant reaction was to say, no, I can't do it, which is silly.
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Completely, completely, no, I completely understand.
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And so we were on that boat going to a 50th birthday.
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So we both live in Oakland, and there's this beautiful island just in front of us, which
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is called Waiheke, and so we were going to spend the weekend with friends.
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As we meet for the first time, and you engage on this topic.
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What would we start with?
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No, I asked you what you were doing.
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You asked me what I was doing, and usually most of the people, they nod, and my daughter
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says, mom, they don't understand what you do.
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But in reality, they've lost you sometimes too, because I'm very passionate if I go on.
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Well, and you replied very, well, you just said migraine, I was like, okay.
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And so after that weekend, I think you finished the test, and then we met on Zoom, which sometimes
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easier for me to just focus on me in the moment and be on my computer, and just with one task
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at hand, understand and decrypt your body.
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And then we got going with foods.
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Do you recollect some of that, how was that for you?
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The Zoom really blew me away, because I wasn't skeptical, because I did believe that foods
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are really important, but I just didn't know how it would work with my migraine.
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I didn't understand the connection, so I was like, okay.
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And you have these amazing analogies about the body and the liver and how that works
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and how it divides, but if the liver's overrun, then it can't divide and it can't clear.
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And all of that made sense to me.
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And as you were saying it, I was like, okay, I get it.
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We went straight to my liver, I think, the first thing we dealt with.
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And I was like, okay.
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And the second thing that I loved is that you weren't taking away anything, you were
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just adding, which is so much easier to add stuff.
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And let's say you say three times a day or three helps, it doesn't matter, I can do two
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helpings a day, there's nobody, they're not on top of me.
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There's no consistency with perfection.
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So if I could only do two today, that's fine.
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And I learned to write a lesson ticket during the day on a piece of paper, it was easier
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for me to just on the fridge.
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So just to remind me also, because it's a lot of extras to add and you can forget and
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also to make sure you've got enough from one.
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It's also understanding that your A-list and your B-list, I'm doing two different things.
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And it's understanding.
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So even if you died, if you miss out from the B, you're helping yourself, so it's just...
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So you can only do one of each, do one of each, but there's these three in one and nothing
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So that was quite good.
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I liked that I was in control of doing something for myself and it wasn't popping a pill, it
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was like adding stuff.
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And also I was interested in adding more foods to my diet and just being a little bit more
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expansive in my food repertoire at home.
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So yeah, I really enjoyed it and I loved all the food.
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And funnily enough, some of the things on there you put, and I find this really weird,
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but the green tea with the rice.
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The gennaitre and the dried plum.
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No, the red dates.
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I had already bought those.
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It was like I knew I needed, it was very weird, but I'd already...
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But I didn't know if they would be good because I had just finished the treatment and I just
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didn't know if I was allowed to eat certain things with my medication.
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So I was a little bit wary.
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So those are my...
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And those happen to be my go-tos now.
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The minute I get a headache and my chest straight away, I have two cups and then I take the
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dates and it just settles me.
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It's the weirdest thing, but it worked.
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It started working.
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And what is incredible is that it's so different for everyone.
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And when I speak with women, they're going to always refer to certain foods and it's
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never going to be twice the same.
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Like I work with 560 and funny enough, like red dates, not everyone can have them.
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And so I love to give them because I personally love them, but they don't suit everyone.
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And peaches, do I have that collection right now?
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Like someone said, oh my God, you've pulled it off with peaches.
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So how I thought it was.
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It is a bit like that.
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Half of me was like, no.
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This is what it took?
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It took me a while to really, and then I was just like, my mind was just like, so I knew
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Sam was really the same as me.
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And I think this Meniere's thing is definitely a menopausal thing.
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So I think my migraines switch from one place to another.
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You also call them silent migraines?
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So I'm a hundred percent sure it's all the same thing.
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It's just another version or something.
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So I told Sam because she and I had already given her my half a anti-nausea and two norephine
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works to stop the nausea straight away because we were both like, and the thing with the
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Meniere's is that it just, when it comes, it doesn't matter where you are, you're gone.
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There's nothing you can do.
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It's just like, you're stuck.
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So the fear and the wanting to do this thing or book anything, even with work, you're just
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I couldn't take a job because I was so afraid I wouldn't be able to fulfil the job and finish
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So I told her about you and I was like, Sam, I can't even explain it to you.
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I just, I have not had, and it took her a little bit longer to shift than it took me.
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And I was worried a little bit because I just thought, oh, she's taking a while to.
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Everyone's extremely different.
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Whereas for me, it was really quick.
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Completely, completely.
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And I felt bad because I kept saying to her, how are you doing?
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And she's like, oh, I still had one.
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No, no, it's, it's, it's, it's surprising.
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I'm still discovering, if I may share candidly, I'm still discovering like working with people
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of all ages across all continents, ethnicities, different medication background, different
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And still sometimes I have like, I had this Canadian lady like six weeks and she had like
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ADHD and migraine and PCOS, six weeks since she was done.
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And there are some people that are much, you know, have fewer things.
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I have one in London and I said, you know, lean and squat, lean and squat.
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She's like, oh my God, it's just, it's not working.
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And then we, and then we powered through and then it was working and I was like, oh.
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But and now I know it's just a matter of leaning and squatting until, I think that the body
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sometimes needs to do other stuff.
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I don't know if that's how it feels.
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And so there's sort of, it's the to do list of the brain maybe doesn't, you know, and
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it feels to us what's most important, but the body seems that it's using the food to
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I had another one in Wellington and she was saying, oh, my period is back.
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And I was like, was it gone?
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And now she also has no more migraines, but that's what the body decided to do first.
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And it's a take it and use it.
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And so I'm still trying to, there are definitely patterns, but you can't really predict it.
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You can't really predict it.
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With migraine disease, we only have each other to make a difference.
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If you know of someone suffering from migraine attacks, share this podcast with them.
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And I remember that for you, work was important, you know, like...
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Yes, because I wanted to go back to work and I just didn't have the confidence.
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So I chose not to take work that I knew I should have done because I was really afraid
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of not being, you know, like being in the middle of, you know, in an office and having
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Because I couldn't get up.
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Like you're lying on the floor or you're sitting in the chair.
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How do I get home?
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How do I go down the stairs?
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Like it's stupid things, but how do I get up and go down the stairs?
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I can't drive myself home.
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So then I'm in an Uber and then I'm going to be sick and it was just all these little
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things that I just thought, well, I'm not even going to put myself in that situation.
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I'm just going to stay home.
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So I ended up, I worked from home, you know, and I could go back to work now and I probably
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will, but yeah, it kind of sits in the back of your head a little bit.
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Like it's like a bit, it's like, I don't know what it is.
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It's like a fear that I don't really need to have anymore because, you know, but yeah,
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it sits with you for a little bit, it's in the back of your mind and I forget that I'm
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I can control now, but I'm often like, no, I can't do this.
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And then I'm like, actually I can, it's okay.
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And look, it's interesting what you say, like we're developing and the time you did it,
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we still had the web app.
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Now it's an app in the app store.
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Yes, which is amazing.
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Yeah, it's much better.
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Now I'm thinking for you, we're going to add the CV button that says print my list for
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my fridge, which I think would be a terrific idea.
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I doesn't sound nasty.
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A lot of people do that, like they print it.
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So I'm going to add that.
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The other thing we've added in the app is a migraine now button and it does exactly
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what you think it does because there are sometimes another type of migraine that can occur.
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So especially you're in an office and then suddenly you have air conditioning blowing
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or, you know, there's something that triggered you, a smell that is slightly outside of your
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control, but also outside of your norm.
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And it just points you at what to do, what to eat, drink and do physically.
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See, that's amazing.
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So now, because I went back and I picked the ones I knew really made a thing, but my thing
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is when we stopped, and I got my first, I was like, why do I do now?
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Because it's genetic.
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And so there are some, I was discussing with a woman from the U.S. yesterday and she went
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through so much and I'm like, there's four, if you had showed up at four different pages,
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I would have taken you four times differently and it continues to evolve, right?
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And so like the relentless quest on my end is like, how do I give you that little companion
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to make you happy?
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You know, to just say, hey, you know what, it's this or it's that or it changed.
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You know, when you transition from one type of pain to Meniere's disease, like, hey, you
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Now it's different.
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It requires different tools.
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Because sometimes I'd have women say, I tried this and it no longer works.
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I'm like, oh, because it's a different type of migraine.
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So this is where it's very complicated.
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That's what, because I'm like, so what list am I going?
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Because the lists keep changing.
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So I'm like, well, and because I printed it, luckily I had my list with me, so I was like,
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well, what list am I, where am I in this journey right now?
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Am I at the end or am I in the middle or the beginning?
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So I just, I think I picked the ones that kind of stayed a little bit through my whole
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And after a while you can tell what helps.
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The teas are amazing.
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The teas are amazing.
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And I don't know if it's so much just that, and I know it is the tea, but I think it's
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also having the, the hydration in your body.
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So important as a woman, which is like everything stops if you've not had enough liquid in your
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It's the tea at a certain temperature.
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It's the liquid at a certain temperature.
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But the red teas don't work.
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It has to be that green tea.
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I don't know why with the price.
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I've always loved it.
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It's always been my favorite.
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I've always had a thing about it.
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But it just works for me.
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And I take it every morning when I wake up.
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It's like my antidote.
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And I drink it twice a day.
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And all of the work is really with you in mind.
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And I think it's really nice to connect.
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I mean, it's been a couple of months now since we've finished like.
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Oh, we're leaving in a year.
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And so it's really.
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It's really with you in mind, like with all of you, like that, I'm like, okay, so it's
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You know, can we have this migrant now, can that companion be just on call?
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Just on call when you need and they can direct you because it is actually complicated.
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We have that button and that button is accurate.
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I would say at this stage 60 to 70% of the time, but sometimes like we have to when we
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operate it and say not this one, another one and add rules, add rules, add rules, add rules.
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And for you, I mean, you don't really want these women sitting on the, you know, in the
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cycle for too long anyway, because there's so many other women coming in and you don't
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want them to understand what, you know, because you don't want to know how to fix yourself.
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Like I was just thinking, you know, my handbag instead of my tablets now, I just have my
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T-bags, you know, like what crazy.
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And if I try and explain it, people look at me and I'm like, yeah, I'm not, I'm not that
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Like I'm not, I'm not all like, but it works.
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It really, really.
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If anyone says to me, headaches and migraines, I'm like, just, yeah, do this thing.
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And some people are like, yeah, they don't, it's so hard to understand.
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And you know what?
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I'm completely with you on this topic.
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And that's why for me it had to be big data and an AI, because I come from a man's world
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where men say it's placebo.
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There's nothing into it.
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That doesn't work.
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And I'm like, you know what?
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I'm going to do it for a million women and million men and children, and I'm going to
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show you the data, not only on their migraines, but on the rest of their health.
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And then you are going to figure out why it works.
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And I, I look forward to, you know, collaborating with universities, like, you know, top top
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universities in the world and sharing the data so that, you know, we can progress and
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move a bit forward.
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We're behind, you know, it's 2023.
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And everything you read now is about how your food is your medicine.
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Like people are really leaning into it now.
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So important because for so long, people like to eat as long as you are exercising.
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But now they say maybe food is more important than exercise.
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You know, it really is.
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And I really feel that now.
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I am very aware of how I feel when I'm eating the foods I'm meant to be eating.
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And then when I step out, I, you know, like you go away, you step out of your diet, come
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home and you're like, yeah, no, I've got to go back to, back to base.
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I'm not feeling myself.
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But it's, yeah, I know we weren't going to talk about how I got my daughter into it and
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she was starting to get headaches and her skin was terrible.
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And literally two weeks in, her skin just cleared straight away.
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And for so many years I've been saying to her, it's, it's your diet, you need to change
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And she kept looking at me and said, it's not, it's not my diet.
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It's proven that acne has not linked to your diet.
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I said, okay, I'm not even going to talk about it anymore.
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And literally two weeks after adding foods into her diet, and I didn't even say I told
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you so, but I looked at her, okay, you know, and it's like, people don't, so much conflicting
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information everywhere anyway.
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So it's really hard to know when to, what to believe and what you think is going to
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So yeah, I did think when I first started, look, I am so desperate right now.
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I was really at a big time low, but I had been through a lot and I'd come out of something
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and then it came back again and I just thought, I don't think mentally and physically I can't
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I'm so tired of fighting for my health, but I was, I said, I will try, right now I just
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And you were like, like, you know, they say there's like a, you know, someone threw me
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a lifeline really because I really needed it.
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And you were very open.
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You can find sometimes like people look at you with a skeptical eyes, like, are you really
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Like, you know, how?
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Like I'm saying, how?
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And I, I'm, I'm always seeing, you know, me as a person, you know, amazed when, you know,
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like for example, that London girl, I was like, push it, push it, stick with it, stick
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And at some points I was like, okay, like she sees the light at the end of the tunnel
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It's just a matter of finishing it down until she has, until she's in a nothing zone.
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Of course we both know it's genetic, so it can take on that shape or form.
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She hasn't had children yet and she hasn't gone through perimenopause yet and all that.
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So there's more to come, but it just shows, for me, it's a huge, because if I let her
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go, it means that she thinks nothing's going to solve it and nothing will, and then she's
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going to medicate more and have more pain and she's going to lose her life.
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And so I take it very personally and very, very committed to show her, look, there is
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Your brain is not dysfunctional.
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It's trying to emit a signal.
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And once that signal goes, other symptoms go.
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Well, I just really want to massively thank you for your time.
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What, um, do you have any, um, I don't know, last thoughts or, um, messages or as you,
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I think if, um, I, I think it's really important to, um, sit still in your, when you feel
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your, your pain coming in and understanding what, um, a lot of times I didn't realize
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it had already started until it was too late.
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So it's just being really aware, um, and being aware of your body to your neck and your things.
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And, um, for me, I know the pushup I can't do, I want to do a pushup anymore because
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I don't know how to do them properly and I take it all in my neck and I think I click
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So even planking for me, I have to learn to take it in my shoulders.
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So little things like that, I know exercise can trigger migraines and, um, and I think
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it's because a lot of people are doing what they're doing wrong, but they're not using
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the right muscles on the right part of the body.
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So, um, I would really be aware of how you hold yourself.
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I realized after like the third time of getting a headache and I realized it always happened
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after I've been sitting to someone, just talking to them on my left side, I could talk to you
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on my right for four nights and I'm good to go, and I can't do the left.
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So it's little things.
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Try and understand the minute you get one, go back, say, okay, well, what have I done
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What exercise did I do?
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Have I just done something?
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And, um, yeah, it's, it's sometimes it's very little things and sometimes it has to be three
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things at the same time, which is also difficult to figure out because I could be very relaxed
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and maybe I do my plank and I'm fine, but if I'm stressed and tired and then I do the
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plank wrong and because I'm tired, I'm not holding properly and I'm using my neck and
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I'm touching my neck.
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So it does, it all kind of like dominoes, it all kind of, yes, yes, the end result.
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And it just makes it harder to find that water.
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Because there's so many on top of each other that you no longer know, was it the wine that
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Was it the exercise that I did?
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And so if you can start really early.
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I'm with you on that.
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I used to think it was alcohol.
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So I stopped alcohol.
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I stopped gluten because I think it must be my diet.
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But I realized now that, that times when I would, actually, if I, if I drank a little
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bit too much and I had a hangover, that would undoubtedly go into a migraine.
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So that probably did me a favor anyway to be, you know, I shouldn't, I'm very hesitant
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about drinking anymore.
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It's actually probably the best thing I ever did.
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The rest of it, I don't know, I started having a bit more dairy here and there and eating
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a bit of bread and I'm okay.
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I will never go back to how I was because it does affect me a bit and stuff like that
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that I've been clear of the minute I start back in again, my body obviously can't process.
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So that's a me thing though, you know, so I understand me.
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So it's about looking, yeah, really take time to look at yourself.
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Don't look at what other people are doing and how they're doing.
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Think about your trigger.
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This is where, you know, I give some foods to a certain woman and it's going to be a
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trigger for another one.
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So if you think of the red dates, for example, it's going to be a trigger for someone else.
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Will make their brain more foggy.
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It just doesn't suit someone.
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It doesn't suit someone else.
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So yeah, be very mindful.
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Thank you so much for your time.
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Thank you so much for giving my life back.
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I look forward to continuing to work really hard on that app.
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So it's a small companion and discreet one in your pockets that, you know, like, you
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know, when you feel, Hey, I've done all of my usual tricks.
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There's something I'm missing.
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It points you in the direction you need for that.
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I like having it on my phone even though I don't use it that much anymore.
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You feel like you can't use it that much anymore.
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For me, it's like, I know I'll come back to it.
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Something will change and then I need to come back.
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So I just know I think you're, I think you're good.
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I think you've gone through the hardest part of life.
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I mean, I'm in my menopause and all of that's been, I feel like.
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And so that brings up a new, it's a new stable and yeah, definitely more stable in that part.
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Hopefully that's it.
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With just a few dots on the I and crosses on the T.
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Well, thank you so much.
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