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Hello, this is the Migraine Heroes podcast, a podcast where we share real stories from
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real people suffering and battling with migraine disease.
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In this podcast, we seek to provide support, hope, holistic health advocacy, and inspiration
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for those who suffer from migraines.
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This is Anna Wilcox and Diane Dugarm and we're here to talk about Anna's migraine journey.
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Thank you for having me.
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So when did your migraine start?
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I think my first migraine, you know, it was one of my first memories.
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So I've had them from a really young age.
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I think, you know, I was maybe five or six or something.
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And I would get them not super often, maybe like three times a year when I was growing
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But it would be bad.
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It would be like, you know, throwing up and in a black room and completely, yeah, you
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have horror memories of those.
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And so you would go in a black room and ask then your mom to be.
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Yeah, my mom was my mom has been my rock through all of this because she also like has migraines.
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So she she really understands what it feels like.
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Has it been different to mine?
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They never have become like chronic, but she still, to this day, you know, gets migraines,
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you know, probably once a month, for example.
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And so when you were five, then were you going to doctors or not for the migraines?
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I think I don't remember it being enough of an issue enough for it to be, you know, and
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migraines, I guess.
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Like, what do you do?
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You know, especially if you're six years old.
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So and they kind of I grew out of them in my sort of teenage years, I remember.
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And then I remember sort of they started to come back a little bit in my late teens and
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then throughout my 20s as well.
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And so it's your mom who educates you on what they were and what they were doing and.
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And I think just having exactly that, just, I guess, an understanding of what and I remember
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growing up with my mom, you know, my dad would be like, oh, mom's unfortunately in the migraine
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this morning and she'll be in bed that day.
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So it was, you know, something that I was always lived with, but it's it's been a game
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changer to have someone, especially when I was going through it really bad, like who
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really, really understands because it's such like an isolating feeling.
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And, you know, throughout all of it, she I could always call her and she could just really
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give me the sympathy that I needed because I know that she really understands.
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It must have been also nice for her that you understood.
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I mean, you wish it for your child, but it's still nice to have one child in the family
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that truly understands.
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Among your siblings.
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Are you the only one?
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My brother, I have a brother and my dad and my dad.
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None of them get migraines, sometimes headaches, but not my brother, though.
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I think he's never had a headache in his life.
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And so and so you start a career in skiing, so you come from a very supportive family.
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And you become an Olympian skier.
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Can you say a bit about that and the excitement around that?
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I started skiing quite late, professionally, actually.
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I'm from Auckland and so I didn't grow up skiing every weekend, but I did have a passion
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I would go down a couple of weekends a year at least and then some weeks and stuff.
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And I just wanted to do a ski season after I finished school and I didn't want to go
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straight into university.
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That seemed insane to me.
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You know, I just spent 13 years at school.
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I was like, the last thing I wanted to do was go and sit in another classroom.
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So I went to do a gap year ski season and it turned into a career, which was cool.
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So I started, I picked it up, I fell in love with freestyle skiing, which is the discipline
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that I started to compete in.
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And I started competing like maybe like a year and a half, two years after just doing
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That's really impressive.
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You could only really pick it up if you had skied really early at least, that's what I
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It was a wild ride.
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I mean, no one could really believe it back here.
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Were you surfing before?
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I've always grown up like surfing and skating and stuff like that.
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And I did ski, like I said, when I was younger, but not like, no, I just went to do it.
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And the first two seasons I was just, you know, a normal teenager going.
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I went to Canada and worked and did, you know, partied and had a great time.
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And then I started to fall in love and get really, really passionate with skiing, like
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obsessed, you know, like obsessed.
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It's like the way to describe it, because that's, I guess, the only way for me to get
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to have gone to where I did in such a short period of time.
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So I, yeah, I got, I started, I got noticed by the New Zealand team and then got put on
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the team and yeah, competed on the world tour and ended up qualifying seventh in the world
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for the Olympics, which was, yeah, looking back, it's a wild ride because they were on
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here and my parents were like, what do you mean?
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I thought you were just avoiding university.
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I don't understand.
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So yeah, it was a crazy ride to get to that, the 2014 Olympics, but, and then after that,
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you know, that was, I said, you know, it's a dangerous sport, so a lot of injuries followed
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And so you got a few concussions.
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Can you talk a little bit about the first one, when it happened, how it happened?
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Yeah, I would say, I mean, I probably in my medical records where I look back to think
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about it, but the amount of ACC claims I've got, but I think I had a, you know, I had
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a few head scattered concussions that I remember, I remember getting one, one season, there
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would maybe be at least one or two head knocks a season, but not super, like not enough to
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take me out for months, just maybe like a week.
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Can you explain that?
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So you're, you're, you're hitting your head and then you start skiing for a week?
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Like they were never, the ones I'm talking about were sort of more just like precautionary,
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like head knocks, nothing that like I could really, apart from maybe, you know, having
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to take that week off because maybe I would get really tired or whatever, but I've had
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like two significant ones amongst, amongst that, where I had repercussions for months
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and months and months.
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So they would probably be traumatic, traumatic brain injuries in comparison to concussions.
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I'd say particularly the one I had in, in September, 2016, I think that was about a
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nine month recovery is what I felt.
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It was my short term memory that was the thing that was lagging for a really long time.
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And so you decide, is it after that injury that you decided to, I should, I mean, I should
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I, I saw a neurologist actually.
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Well, he was a, he was a concussion specialist, I think.
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And he did a lot of testing because I felt like something was wrong, but it's really
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hard to know when, you know, you don't know the person that you were before the concussion
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and you don't know, like, it's hard to know what's missing when you don't remember what
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you had because your memory is gone.
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But he did some really thorough testing hours of it.
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And he did discover like a portion of my portion of my brain and memory that was actually,
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you know, I think still affected.
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And we made the decision together that I, I wasn't ready yet to walk away.
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I wanted to give one more push to go to the PyeongChang Olympics, but knowing in my head
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that like, or, you know, in my heart that if I hit my head again, like I would have
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to walk away, but I broke my back instead.
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So that was the, that was the nail in the coffin.
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I ended up walking away after that, which was in January, 2017.
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And so that was probably very devastating.
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It was heartbreaking.
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It was, um, it was, I didn't, to be honest, like mourn it for a really long time.
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I just, I, I decided to, it took months to decide to, to quit.
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And then when I did, I just booked a plane ticket to Europe because I just wanted to
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get away from everything that reminded me of skiing.
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So I went, so I flew to like Menorca in Spain to go and teach sailing there, which was just
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a complete contrast, which is really what I needed.
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And so still not university, not university yet.
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I promised myself I'd take a really fun gap year, another gap year, perpetual gap year.
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I decided to, to, yeah, to, to take that year off and just have fun.
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And it was quite, it was so ironic the, the day that I like announced my retirement on
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So I, I, you know, cause I needed to explain why I wasn't, you know, in Monaco and why
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I was on the other side of the world in Spain.
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And so I, you know, did quite a heart about posts and why I was leaving the sport and
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how, you know, I guess devastated I was to be leaving and how I was leaving because,
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you know, at the end of the day, I couldn't put my body through anymore.
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You know, I just given so much physically to the sport that like, I'm so lucky to have
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walked away from the sport, literally walked away that I, and that was sort of that main
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reason, you know, like it was time to lead like a safe life.
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And then literally like the response from that was really incredible.
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I was quite overwhelmed with how many messages I thought and loved, like it was really a
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And then later that night I was walking home from like a restaurant and in Spain.
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And so I'd just been in the island for a few days, so I didn't know it very well and I
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didn't really know anyone on the island.
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And I was walking down like a really steep hill and it was dark and it was probably like,
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you know, a good 500 meter hill.
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So, and I was near the bottom and like, I have no memory of it, but by someone who was
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biking was like full speed and they didn't see me and they like flattened me and I smacked
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my like the front of my face and was completely knocked out for like, I think like 20, like
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a long time, like maybe 20 minutes.
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Like I don't remember much at all.
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I remember waking up in an ambulance and like not knowing why I was in Spain, for example.
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Like it was just like a really scary and just like what are the chances of that the day
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I announced my retirement on like becoming safe human and this happens.
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Yeah, so I had another head injury that put me in hospital and I was really lucky to be
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So I thought like, I thought this was it.
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I was thinking like, how, like how can my brain go through this again?
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Do you remember before that where you, how were your vision?
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I mean, it's really hard to remember in time, but how was your vision?
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Was it ever blurry, ever blurry at night?
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Were you ever feeling dizzy?
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No, for me, like the main symptoms from that first one was all memory.
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So I think just the part of the brain that I hit, I hit the back, this back right section.
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So it affects the frontal lobe, which is often your memory and all that, which is not so
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much your physical symptoms, but depending on where you hit your brain.
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So this time I, I mean, this time I was flattened basically on my face.
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So it caused not no memory, but it was physical.
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So it was more like it was really getting, being really tired and being really slow and
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So yeah, it was a different kind of concussion that I've ever had and probably not my worst,
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even though it was physically the worst.
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If you looked at me, I was, you know, black and blue and hospital and stuff.
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But I actually bounced back from that within about a month.
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And I haven't had one since.
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I actually know that's a lie.
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And I think that's what re-triggered my chronic migraines.
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I'm trying to remember, like 2018, 19, when that was the year that I had really bad migraines.
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I had a concussion.
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That's about when we meet.
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And so what's the last concussion?
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It's probably been 2019.
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I was go-karting with Scott McLachlan.
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And I t-boned someone and ended up just, it wasn't, I didn't hit my head.
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It was the force of it.
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It just shook my brain.
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And because I'm really susceptible now to it, it doesn't take much for me to have symptoms.
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That put me out for like a week and then also like brought my migraines back.
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And so at that time you're suffering.
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And then a friend, so then I'm in a retreat in New Zealand in Great Barrier with a lot
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of entrepreneurs and I discuss what I'm doing.
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And one of them, Georgia, talks to me about you.
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And she says, Oh, one of my friend has had a couple of concussion.
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I don't know anything about your history.
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Like she says, she's just had a couple of concussions and she has migraines as a result.
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Do you think you can help?
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And I was helping just at the time.
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And I think that was the only woman with concussion at the time.
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And I'm like, sure.
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And so we meet, we meet.
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Do you remember a little bit like we meet and you come to my place and we discuss about
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your head injury and probably ask a lot of questions.
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Was it through WhatsApp or?
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And so then I tell you and I tell you what to eat and we get started.
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And at this point, like I have to say, with everything that came my way at the end of
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that year, I had spent like a whole year trying to find like a solution and spend probably
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like three and a half thousand dollars of my own money, you know, just like on trying
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And I tried so many different things.
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So whenever I like, I was skeptical as you know, when it came to your technique and also
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when it came to the Wim Hof stuff, like the only reason why I jumped in the ice with the
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Wim Hof stuff was to get someone off my back because they kept asking me, they're like,
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well, you haven't tried this.
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You haven't tried like and kept asking me.
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I was like, oh my gosh, I just, all right, I'll get in the ice to make this person shut
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And then, you know, like, yeah, they worked in the ice.
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And so you arrived and you were quite skeptical.
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I also didn't know too much, right.
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I was really starting, but I had done it a couple of times.
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And so I thought, not too complex, like we can do this.
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Like she's had a couple of concussions, especially as for me, it was at the time easier to do
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someone who had had their migraine starting after puberty, which I made this massive assumption
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And so you have these migraines and we started to eat the foods and you're very skeptical.
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And then what happens, do you remember a little bit, like what some of these foods were and
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how they made you feel?
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I remember, um, like the, the licorice root.
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That was something that I, I drank almost every day.
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And then the other different types of tea as well that you, that you gave.
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And yeah, I think that combined with, yeah, no, I mean, I don't know much about it.
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So this is a great one.
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I mean, I understand that, you know, like a woman needs to have a number of things in
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place in order to be able to be given.
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But once she drinks it, it's something that really helps specifically for that.
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And I think I even gave it to you that day.
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And you start to replenish it because that day you were not feeling great.
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You were not as you're, uh, you know, you were not with such an energy.
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At that point, like 2019, I pretty much had a migraine six days a week.
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And on any given day I had one and I was going through it.
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So it was like a really tough year for me.
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And, and Georgia was really kind and she recommended you and I, you know, because I don't come
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from New Zealand, I had no background on who you were.
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And so I'm like, sure, come in.
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I thought, Oh, she looks so gorgeous.
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Let's just, you know, give her a great life back, you know, a life, fun, joy.
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And yeah, I remember you being quite tired.
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And I remember me giving you that tea and telling you, you can replenish it a couple
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You went on and then probably you went, you were quite good fast.
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I think so around the similar time.
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So I think the combination of the foods that you were given, like prescribing me, which,
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you know, I guess have unique nutrients in it that like you said, replenish certain parts
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that you like that are maybe lacking.
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And then you were doing Wim Hof at the same time.
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About the similar time I jumped into the ice and you know, that didn't work straight away
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It was probably like, you know, six weeks or something, but then everything started
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to work, you know, and I finally got, got my life back, which was amazing.
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So I think it was around January, 2020, yeah, I said I was, I was more or less migraine
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So I, I'm now, and now I am pretty much like, you know, I get maybe one a month, but it's
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super manageable and compared to five days a week, six days a week, it's just like, I
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actually can be normal again.
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And then you got married and you had a nice and fun year and good 2021 in spite of everything.
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It was, it was great.
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It's just, it's been, I can get emotional talking about like that year because it's
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just like, I wouldn't wish it on anyone, this sort of chronic, like what chronic pain does
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There's not enough people, you know, almost talking about it.
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And there are so many people suffering from chronic pain and it's not just people, you
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know, suffering from migraines, which I know there's a lot of, but there's also people
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who have endo and like, you know, it's just, and well, yeah, one of my best friends has
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it and it's just brutal to, to watch it sucks the life out of you.
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And it's also like completely, what's the word for it?
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Like you can't see it on someone.
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It's not like they have a broken leg and they're in a cast and you're like, oh, that sucks.
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It's just nothing.
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You don't know what they're going through and yeah, I just, it's awful.
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It is an awful one.
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And I've tried, but it's very complicated.
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Like if it's taken very early, it can be contained once it's full on.
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There's currently no miracle, but you know, quite positive at some point we will manage
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to find something.
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It's really important to work on women's health.
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Are you able to, it's probably really difficult, but to like describe the difference, like
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when you do wheel half, what does it do to your body?
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How does it achieve versus when you eat some of the foods or, or they work really well
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It's really hard to like, you know, separate one from the other or.
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I think it's, I think both the combination is really, really good.
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And what's cool about the combination is like, it's both natural and like, you know, it's
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also really affordable.
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You know, these foods that you're, you know, prescribing, you know, it's cheap and there's
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so many expensive, you know, I guess treatments out there where you're spending thousands
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of thousands of dollars and, and people do.
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And I did because, you know, you're so desperate and to have come across, I guess, two types
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of treatments for my migraines that I can, you know, really affordable is such a game
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changer because I think that's a massive part of it.
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Like if you're spending, you know, $150 on a session, you know, a couple of times a week
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or something that would give me a migraine because you just, that money that's going
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in that store, it's almost, that stresses you out.
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It's very stressful.
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And I think people don't.
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No, I think I totally get it.
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You know, like recently I was with someone and now we have a subscription fee and I could
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feel it was putting strain on her and I'm like, I discount you.
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Like the last thing I want to do is add stress to your life, like, cause you do, you do appreciate
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that because usually they do a lot of additional things because the migraines don't always
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come on their own.
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So there's just more stacks of problem.
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But it's still, you know, like even if that cost is small in comparison to what you'd
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pay for, like, you know, even, even the really good acupuncture, it's like $200 a session
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or whatever it is.
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And the Wim Hof, like the Wim Hof is stuff is half in regards to what you physically
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have to do and put yourself in like an ice bucket for five minutes.
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And often I laugh because it's the last resort for a lot of people, you know, it was the
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last resort for me.
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I was like, this is the last thing I want to do, you know?
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It is still hard to do, but the feeling that you get afterwards is, is a game changer and
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it's good for your mental health.
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Just like the stuff that you're also working with.
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It's not just one, you don't just fix one part of your body, you know, you fix a lot
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of the different parts of the different aspects, including your mental health, because it's
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all related, you know, like your guts related to your brain.
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And women, I must say now that I have, you know, I had many, many, many more women that
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have your approach are much, much easier to help because when they take otherwise is
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natural and they also are still in tune with their bodies.
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When you've had a 30 years of medication life, you've like broken down lots of signals, things
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you don't hear anymore as you need to almost restitch the communication and what's normal,
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what's not normal in the rest of your body, in your transit, bowel movement, all of that.
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And so lots of women are, have lost it.
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But I find I love when women do something natural.
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I know that spontaneously it's going to go much faster.
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I don't remember the date exactly, but I think, I think that, that growing barrier thing was
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in November, 2019.
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So indeed probably took six weeks or like eight weeks for us to, to work that out together
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with women health as well.
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And that's, that's really fast in contrast with women who have had no choice but to leave
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And I've been down the medication route.
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Like I went down it for a couple of months and it was not fun, you know, it was like
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they put me on like a, it was like on the, you know, the nortriptyline, triptyline kind
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of like family of medication.
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And for me, like I was so desperate that I was like, like, you know, wanting to try everything.
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But it was, ended up like messing with my emotions so much that I was like, I would
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rather have a migraine than feel like this sort of like depressed or anxious and all
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this kind of stuff.
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So for me, it just, it just wasn't for me.
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But yeah, I really feel like, you know, I hit the nail on the head with these two types
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And I think the combination is really, really cool.
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Thank you so much for your time.
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And thank you for those women.
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Oh, maybe one last question.
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You know, like I have different networks.
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So I have the network of HBS women that I've studied with or alumni and they know I'm a
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person and that if I do this, it's not because I, like I suddenly had a, I don't know, like
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a weird idea and want to make money on people's back with migraines.
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Like they think if I'm doing this, it means I found something.
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Same with my former employer.
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And women instantly trust me.
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But I find on social media, there is so much stuff out there that it's much harder to,
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for women who haven't been exposed to that, those networks, but are probably even, you
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know, some of them very, very vulnerable in their family, in their work, like less of
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them, you know, lose their job over their migraines.
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What, you know, can you have a few words to them on things, I don't know, like how would
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you express to your words to take sort of the path that you've taken on?
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That's a long question.
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With dealing, like, you know, like, I guess you mean trusting, I guess.
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Trusting your own body first, I find that, you know, like some women, they say, oh, if
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it doesn't work for me, I'm just going to suck it up and try harder or that medication
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But I've been told that I'm just going to do that for longer or, because also people
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tell them they're fine, they think they should feel fine, but they're not fine.
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So over time, they just feel I'm really fine.
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And so how, how would you help them to, what would you say to help them, like lead a life
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of, yeah, of being quite natural or.
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Yeah, I think you just, you have to just, A, be really kind to yourself.
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I think that's something that, you know, I know I didn't do for a long time.
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You wake up and you're angry, I was automatically angry at myself because I, my body was giving
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So I would like, you know, I would get to work and maybe I'd have to leave work because
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I would get a really bad migraine and I would be angry and upset.
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And I think that just doesn't help the situation at all.
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So just for one, just being kinder to yourself is just really important.
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And I think at the end of the day, like trying to get in tune with your body as much as possible
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is the best way to figure out really works for you, whether it's like different types
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of food or whether it's, you know, things like going for a walk in the mornings might
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help this and like just those little things.
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And at the end of the day, like, you know, I think you feel a lot better if you can take
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a natural route, a natural pathway, just because you feel better inside almost, you know, but
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at the same time, you know, you have to figure out what's right for you.
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And sometimes medication is the right thing.
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So it's just figuring out what's better.
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But I personally really enjoy the fact that I don't have to, you know, take anything,
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I guess, like any pharmaceutical kind of style drugs, you know.
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It makes me feel good.
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And at least for now, you know, I'm going to relish in that.
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Who knows down the line, you know, you might have to, you know, go Western, but if you
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don't have to, I think it's great not to.
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Well, thank you so much for your time.
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