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Hi, I'm Nicole Jardim, a certified women's health coach,
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also known as the Period Fixer,
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and you are listening to another episode
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of my podcast, The Period Party,
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which is what happens when you get
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the world's leading women's health experts
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unscripted, uncensored, and on the air.
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Think of it as girl talk gone menstrual.
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On The Period Party, we talk candidly
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about all of those off-limits topics,
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periods, hormones, vaginas, fertility,
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miscarriage, postpartum, and so much more.
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Join me and my guests each episode
[01:12]
for fun, fresh, and truthful conversation,
[01:15]
and let us help you develop a deeper understanding
[01:18]
of how your body works.
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Hey, podcast family.
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Thank you so much for being here for another episode.
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My guest on this episode is Diane Ducarm.
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She is the founder and CEO of Nectar Health,
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a company dedicated to adding years
[01:35]
to the lives of those suffering from migraine disease.
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Diane's journey is as impressive as it is diverse.
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With an MBA from Harvard Business School,
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a master's in science, engineering,
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technology, and mathematics,
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and studies in traditional Chinese medicine,
[01:49]
she brings a unique blend of expertise
[01:51]
to the field of women's health.
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Diane's passion for making a difference
[01:55]
and drive to understand the impact migraines
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have on individuals worldwide
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led her to found Nectar Health.
[02:01]
In our conversation, we explore
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the complex nature of migraines,
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which are not merely severe headaches,
[02:07]
but rather a neurological disorder
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that can affect the entire body.
[02:11]
Importantly, Diane highlights the strong correlation
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between migraines and menstruation,
[02:16]
with women being three to four times more likely
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to be affected after puberty.
[02:21]
We discuss the impact of hormonal changes
[02:23]
during the menstrual cycle
[02:25]
and how contraceptives may play a role
[02:27]
in migraine occurrence.
[02:29]
We uncover the prevalence of migraines
[02:31]
and debunk misconceptions surrounding their treatment,
[02:34]
particularly mainstream medical treatment of migraines.
[02:37]
Diane also shares her pioneering approach
[02:39]
to migraine treatment and management,
[02:41]
including a discussion on the gut-brain axis
[02:43]
and its critically important connection to migraines.
[02:47]
Diane's expertise and commitment to women's health
[02:50]
make this episode an invaluable resource
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for anyone affected by migraines
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or interested in supporting those who are.
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If this episode resonates with you,
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send us a DM on Instagram.
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You can find Diane at My Nectar Health
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and you can find me at Nicole M. Jardim.
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Thank you so much for being here and enjoy this episode.
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Thank you so much for being on the podcast with me.
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I am really excited to have this conversation.
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Likewise, I'm just so excited.
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So much to talk about together.
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There's gonna be a whole juicy conversation.
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Everybody get ready.
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So I would love to talk to you about your background.
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Did you have migraines or have you had migraines
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and how did you get into doing the work that you're doing?
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No, I had no migraines.
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My sister was the one having them.
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And what happened is that our uncle had just died
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of brain cancer called glioblastoma,
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extremely fulgurant and fast.
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And he left four children behind.
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And it was really difficult as a family.
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And so after that funeral, when my sister said,
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look, I don't wanna scare anyone,
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but I have like these massive migraines
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and I've done a lot of MRI
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and I don't know why they happen,
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I really heard her.
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I think a number of friends had mentioned in passing
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they had had a migraine
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and they said they had a headache.
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When my sister mentioned that,
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I really thought, okay, let's take that seriously.
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Let's look into it.
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She was quite nervous because she had done three MRI,
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which is quite typical.
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And the doctor had ended up telling her,
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hey, stop coming to me.
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And he even added if there's something,
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it's not, I can't pull a miracle.
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So just stop stalking me.
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And so I said to my sister, look, I know someone,
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someone who had helped me back in China
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when I was living in China.
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I said, I know someone, her name is Dr. Yifang Zhang.
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I think we can call her
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and describe all of your symptoms
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and we can maybe find the root cause of your migraines
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and solve for them.
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And that's what we did.
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And within four months, she had no more migraines
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and she went back to her life
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and I went back to mine.
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Okay, well, everybody I'm sure who has migraines
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and is listening to this,
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their ears are now peaked.
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So they're dying to know what you're talking about.
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Yeah, and you know what?
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At the time, I had just no idea.
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I just thought, well, you know, her head was in pain
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and now it's no longer in pain
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because we just found why it was in pain.
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I had no idea, literally.
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That's incredible.
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I mean, that is quite a change.
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So let's talk about that.
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Let's talk about what a migraine actually is
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because I think that the misconception
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is that they're just a really bad headache, right?
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Yes, I think most of the population,
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like me before I had her
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and then I subsequently had the daughter of a neurologist
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and I thought, wow, now that's wild.
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You know, we think of migraine as a headache
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and that's a really wrong thing to do
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because it puts a stigma on people.
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A migraine attack is a full body experience.
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It goes much beyond the head pain.
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Some people will have nausea.
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Some people will have vomiting.
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Some people will have visual disturbances called aura.
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Some people will have aura with pain
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and some people will have pain without aura
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and some people will have both.
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Some people will have sensitivity to light,
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sensitivity to sound, dizziness, fatigue, you name it.
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So lots of symptoms.
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And migraines is a genetic position.
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So you need one to 14 gene loci
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that we've identified in the West
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that will cause these migraines.
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Okay, and it affects a huge amount
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of people worldwide, doesn't it?
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And it affects more women than men, yes?
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And very few people know that.
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You know that because you probably have a ton of girlfriends
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and you're very connected in the female community.
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But essentially because it's genetic, rightfully so,
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or as you could think,
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only 5% of boys and girls are born with migraines.
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And by born, I mean around age five, six, seven, eight,
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will have their first migraine attack
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and will start to be medically treated for it.
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Yes, I have taken care of five-year-olds, eight-year-olds.
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I had one eight-year-old in Seattle.
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She made me a drawing and she had seen 20 neurologists
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and I studied with her mom at Harvard.
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And so her mom knew I was not a doctor,
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but she said, she's the best, you know?
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And she said, not only I don't have head pain,
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my stomach no longer hurts.
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So she made herself that connection.
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She started to talk about another symptom
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that she was feeling.
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But back to our women.
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So at puberty, the incidence is gonna triple
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to quadruple for women.
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And so it leaves 18% of women with migraines.
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Okay, that is humongous.
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And so we'll talk about the hormones,
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but you mentioned other symptoms.
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Can we talk a little bit more about that?
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Well, you just mentioned this little girl,
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like she had a stomach pain.
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So was that part of her migraine attacks?
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Like can that happen as well?
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So yes, because like a lot of people
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will have nausea and vomiting
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and those are widely recognized symptoms
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in the scientific community.
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However, pushing the envelope a lot more,
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there's a lot other symptoms that come with migraines.
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Some women can have bloating,
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distension of the belly area,
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can have extremely painful menstruation.
[08:07]
And even though those are not gonna happen
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at the time of the attack,
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what you see, and there's actually a doctor
[08:13]
that has started to research this,
[08:15]
Dr. Nazia Karazhan, not surprisingly, she's a woman.
[08:18]
And she's like, hold on, you know, scientific community,
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there's just a lot more going on for these women
[08:23]
than just the head pain.
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And she's totally onto it.
[08:27]
And so yes, so during the attack,
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there will be more symptoms.
[08:30]
And outside of the attack,
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there will be other symptoms like PCOS or endometriosis
[08:34]
or underlying root cause that will fire up
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in the good brain axis.
[08:41]
And so one of the other things I was thinking about
[08:45]
with regard to causes are the contraceptive pill,
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because I've had a lot of clients as well over the years
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who started developing major migraines when on the pill.
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Can we talk about that as well?
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Absolutely, absolutely.
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So certain contraceptive pill will induce migraine
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for some women, some contraceptive pills not.
[09:08]
Some contraception will increase their migraines
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and some contraception will decrease them.
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So I'll give you two examples.
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I had a woman yesterday on the phone in London,
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age 18, first onset of migraine,
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took a pill, instantly got into migraines.
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And she thought, whoa, what's that?
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She went back to her doctor.
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She's like, I can't have that.
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Was put on another pill.
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Now that other pill didn't give her instant migraines,
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but it made her bleed a lot.
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And when you bleed a lot,
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and we're going to go into some explanations later,
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when you bleed a lot, over time,
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your body's going to be very depleted
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and you become more migraine prone.
[09:41]
And so migraines started to creep in her life
[09:43]
because of that pill,
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but she never realized and made the connection.
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I had an executive in Amsterdam.
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She had put a Mirena IUD 12 years prior
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and two years into her Mirena IUD,
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she started to have migraines and those were connected,
[09:56]
but because there was a distant relationship
[09:58]
between the placement of the IUD and her migraines,
[10:01]
she had not made the connection.
[10:04]
And so just by removing it,
[10:05]
we were able to reduce it by 70%.
[10:07]
And she was just over the moon
[10:08]
because she had been in pain for the last 10 years.
[10:10]
So it was quite a big family decision.
[10:12]
She was like, well, my husband is ready for it,
[10:16]
Like, yeah, I'm positive.
[10:17]
I saw all of your data, this is it.
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I mean, so that's a connection with the synthetic hormones
[10:25]
that are in the contraceptive pill, right?
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I think scientifically it's been started to be analyzed,
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you know, how women re-response to certain contraception
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and how it infects their migraines.
[10:38]
So there is science around that.
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However, always when I work,
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I use a combination of Western science
[10:45]
as well as traditional Chinese medicine.
[10:47]
And it's, I think the way sometimes these medication
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impact the systems inside of your body
[10:53]
that then provokes a migraine.
[10:56]
Right, yeah, no, that totally makes sense.
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I mean, cause they're not the same as our hormones.
[11:00]
So I imagine that, yes.
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And it even says it on,
[11:04]
at least a combined contraceptive pill,
[11:06]
it says that migraines and headaches are a side effect.
[11:09]
I mean, you know, I've just looked at the paperwork.
[11:12]
So, yeah, no, I was just curious about that.
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Cause I do feel like that has been a big side effect
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for a lot of my clients over the years.
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And so I would say on this one, trust your instincts.
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And usually women are really good with it.
[11:26]
And some gynecologists might have the tendency to say,
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wait, if you feel really strongly,
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be strong about your feeling and really trust your instinct.
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You're in the right place.
[11:38]
I feel like this is what we preach here on the period party.
[11:41]
So, can we talk about how migraines develop?
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Like what are the underlying causes here?
[11:48]
Cause obviously you said that women
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get them more than men do.
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There's a cyclical connection.
[11:53]
At least there has been in my experience
[11:55]
with all of my clients over the years.
[11:56]
So can we talk about root causes?
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What's going on with these?
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I think in our sort of more Western mind,
[12:05]
we tend to not look at causes
[12:07]
and we tend to make a blanket statement
[12:09]
about what migraines are.
[12:11]
There's so many variations of head pain.
[12:14]
Some women will experience them on the temple,
[12:16]
some on the top of the head, some across the eyebrows,
[12:18]
some always on the right side, some on both sides,
[12:21]
some moving around their trigeminal nerve.
[12:23]
It's gonna vary massively.
[12:25]
Some people when waking up, some people at night.
[12:27]
And so as you can imagine,
[12:28]
it's really one word, but many different things.
[12:31]
And so the way to medicate everyone the same
[12:34]
will not always work.
[12:35]
And so it's really important to,
[12:37]
as you were mentioning before,
[12:38]
start to look at, okay, where is that coming from?
[12:41]
Intuitively as women, we're like,
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okay, there has to be a reason.
[12:44]
And why does it triple at puberty?
[12:46]
There has to be a reason.
[12:47]
And so there's actually one doctor
[12:49]
starting to look into this.
[12:50]
This is Dr. Jay S. Risha.
[12:52]
And the scientific community starts to really acknowledge
[12:55]
that it comes from the gut.
[12:56]
So we have discovered in the West a gut renaxus
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in the last, what, 15 years.
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In traditional Chinese medicine, this is really old news.
[13:04]
It's been there for about 2000 years.
[13:06]
Not as detailed and not as proven,
[13:07]
but it's always been a core part
[13:10]
of how they look at the body.
[13:13]
And so the gut is defined as the entry of the food
[13:17]
and the exit of the waste.
[13:20]
And it does include hormones.
[13:23]
It does include all of the digestive system,
[13:25]
but all of the hormonal parts.
[13:27]
And the problem with migraines,
[13:28]
migraines emerge when you have a gut issue
[13:31]
that then fires up in your brain,
[13:33]
is what I see, more ways.
[13:36]
I do want to elaborate on it because I love this.
[13:37]
I want to keep going on this trajectory.
[13:41]
So I think to do that, let's be laser sharp example.
[13:45]
I think just examples, we took to it.
[13:47]
Let's imagine we have a woman in front of us, Nicole,
[13:49]
and that woman has had a copper IUD
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for a couple of years, five years, let's say.
[13:54]
And for the last five years, she's been bleeding a lot.
[13:56]
Now, if we take the average age of woman at puberty,
[14:00]
that's 12 years old,
[14:01]
and we take her average age at menopause, around 50,
[14:05]
and we assume that she's going to bleed 55 milliliters,
[14:08]
apologies, I'm Belgian, 55 milliliters a month,
[14:12]
like she's supposed to,
[14:13]
she's going to lose in her lifetime
[14:16]
23 to 28 liters of menstruation.
[14:20]
And that's a lot, okay?
[14:23]
Men doesn't go through that, okay?
[14:24]
We lose substance, we lose material.
[14:27]
Now, in my body, I'm going to have 45 liters of blood, okay?
[14:30]
So if I want to think, if I want to be on this podcast
[14:33]
and digest at the same time,
[14:35]
my body needs to do at a minimum two things,
[14:38]
a zillion of things,
[14:39]
but it's going to need to make two tasks
[14:41]
and think and digest.
[14:44]
But now let's imagine I lost all of my blood
[14:46]
for my copper IUD,
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and I don't have a full five liters of blood.
[14:51]
I have maybe four, maybe three and a half.
[14:54]
Well, then I can either think and concentrate with you
[14:58]
or digest, or I can go run, or I can digest.
[15:02]
And so my body's metabolism
[15:04]
starts to operate very differently
[15:06]
and starts to need to prioritize where the energy goes.
[15:10]
But when I'm going to eat wine, cheese, or chocolate,
[15:13]
women will report those some of the biggest triggers,
[15:16]
but it's not for everyone.
[15:18]
My liver is going to become in competition with my brain.
[15:21]
And so my brain's going to say,
[15:22]
hey, hold on, hold on, hold on.
[15:24]
It's just like really struggle.
[15:26]
From a scientific perspective,
[15:27]
is it the pure lack of blood?
[15:29]
Is it the lack of oxygen?
[15:32]
We'll have to work with universities to find it out.
[15:34]
But it's that, oh my God, I don't have enough.
[15:37]
Can you send me more?
[15:38]
And so if you take a medication like a trypton,
[15:40]
they will conflict your blood vessels
[15:42]
and force the blood back up to your brain,
[15:44]
except it's intoxicated blood.
[15:46]
So you're going to feel no pain,
[15:49]
but you might feel a bit funny and a few side effects.
[15:52]
And it's not nice.
[15:54]
Plus it means that the detoxification didn't happen
[15:57]
and that your liver has started to build up toxins
[16:00]
of that food you ate plus the medication you take.
[16:04]
Now, if we stay on that liver,
[16:05]
so now we have a copper IUD woman who lost her blood.
[16:08]
She's really tired.
[16:09]
She's just really exhausted.
[16:10]
Not tired just, but exhausted.
[16:12]
She has lots of sugar cravings because she's exhausted.
[16:14]
Sugar craving before her menstruation.
[16:17]
She takes these medication
[16:18]
and it adds the load of toxicity to her liver.
[16:21]
Her digestive system is slower
[16:23]
because she's adding toxicity to her liver.
[16:25]
Her liver, which in traditional Chinese medicine
[16:27]
is hyper-connected to the brain of all of the systems,
[16:31]
one that is biggest communicated to the brain,
[16:33]
is going to fire up in her temple,
[16:35]
on the top of the head and across her eyebrows.
[16:37]
And so she's going to start to have migraines.
[16:40]
And the more she's going to medicate,
[16:42]
the more she's going to add toxicity on her liver.
[16:45]
And the more she's going to have migraines.
[16:46]
Now, we can go back to Western science
[16:48]
and Western science is going to be called
[16:51]
rebound migraines or medication overuse headache, MOH.
[16:55]
And those are scientifically proven
[16:57]
is the more you're going to medicate,
[16:59]
the more you're going to have these migraines.
[17:01]
And then after that is going to come a snowball effect
[17:04]
of therefore her liver and digestive system
[17:07]
being a lot more sluggish, her feeling bloated.
[17:10]
She may start to develop a bit of a leaky gut.
[17:13]
From there, it can transform into an IBS.
[17:16]
And before you know it, that woman starts to have
[17:18]
just a compilation of problems.
[17:20]
And women who have migraines
[17:22]
are usually heavily medicated for many things.
[17:25]
And when you look at the cost of healthcare
[17:27]
that they need to go through is a lot.
[17:29]
When in the first place,
[17:31]
they're really penalized day to day with their head pains.
[17:34]
It can be very isolating
[17:36]
and really, really hard for these women.
[17:38]
Okay, you just completely blew my mind
[17:41]
because I don't know that anybody has ever explained
[17:43]
migraines in that way before.
[17:45]
And I cannot wait to share this podcast
[17:47]
with everyone I know who has migraines.
[17:50]
And of course, everyone who's listening.
[17:51]
But can we talk about the fact that
[17:54]
no one takes that approach to migraines?
[17:57]
And like you said, right,
[17:58]
they're just prescribed these hardcore medications.
[18:01]
At least that's been the experience that I've heard of
[18:04]
from so many women over the years.
[18:06]
And we're not looking at this like root cause
[18:09]
that we have just been talking about.
[18:12]
So talk about your approach.
[18:14]
Like what are you doing differently?
[18:15]
Because this is so amazing
[18:16]
and such good information for everyone to have.
[18:19]
And I think you touched upon no one is doing it this way.
[18:22]
And I think it came from my naivety
[18:26]
of not knowing what it was in the first place.
[18:28]
Because after my sister,
[18:30]
and I have to tell you this story
[18:31]
to tell you the rest of it,
[18:33]
because then it will make sense.
[18:34]
After my sister, a couple of years later,
[18:37]
another friend came and she said,
[18:38]
oh, I've had this really confrontational conversation
[18:42]
And I'm like, okay, what was that about?
[18:44]
She's like, well, I've had migraines for seven years.
[18:46]
I'm like, oh, I'm so sorry.
[18:49]
And she's like, oh yeah, it's okay.
[18:51]
You know, I've learned through the years to manage with them.
[18:53]
But then my dad said I should get medicated for life,
[18:56]
including having injections in my body or in my brain.
[19:00]
And I'm like, what?
[19:01]
That doesn't make any sense.
[19:03]
I'm like, no one does that, Shirley.
[19:04]
You know, don't do that.
[19:05]
What are you going to do?
[19:06]
Medicate for what?
[19:08]
So for 50 years, that's a joke.
[19:12]
It can only harm you.
[19:13]
And she's like, yeah, but he's really insisting.
[19:14]
I'm like, you know, look, are you born with migraines?
[19:18]
Well, you're not going to die with them.
[19:19]
Like, there has to be a reason.
[19:22]
I'm really busy with work right now,
[19:24]
but let me dig up what I had given her.
[19:27]
Let me dig up some of my books.
[19:28]
And then I called Dr. Zhang.
[19:30]
And if you don't mind, we'll do that quickly through WhatsApp.
[19:33]
I sent her about 30 questions.
[19:35]
And from there, I'm like, okay,
[19:37]
this is where the migraines are coming from.
[19:39]
I'm like, eat this and that.
[19:40]
And then I see her again.
[19:41]
And I'm like, oh, by the way, are your migraines gone?
[19:43]
She's like, oh yeah, completely gone.
[19:46]
And this was in three to four months.
[19:47]
And I'm like, well, by the way,
[19:49]
why did your father tell you to take these medication?
[19:51]
Like, I didn't understand the conversation.
[19:54]
And she said, well,
[19:55]
because my father is a renowned neurologist.
[19:59]
And I thought, what?
[20:00]
Well, that doesn't make any sense.
[20:01]
I'm like, okay, hold on, just hold on.
[20:03]
And I was like going through my mind.
[20:05]
Well, that's her father.
[20:06]
Obviously he's renowned.
[20:07]
Obviously he's super well-educated.
[20:10]
He's also super well-intended and focused.
[20:13]
Why would he prescribe injections?
[20:15]
And then I thought, you know what?
[20:16]
Probably the food compounds I gave her
[20:18]
is what they inject women with, right?
[20:20]
So I thought, let me just dig it up.
[20:22]
And this is a bit like you when you say,
[20:24]
oh, I went into scientific papers on pill and migraines,
[20:28]
because I'm curious.
[20:28]
I'm also the same.
[20:29]
And I'm like, okay, let me dig it up.
[20:32]
And I thought, oh, wow, these are painkillers.
[20:36]
I'm like, why would they give them painkillers?
[20:38]
Like you have to, like the pain is just a signal.
[20:41]
That's not possible.
[20:42]
And I saw 18% of women.
[20:44]
I'm like, wow, 18% of women.
[20:46]
I have so many girlfriends.
[20:48]
When was I a bad friend?
[20:49]
And then I go to bed and I would think in my bed,
[20:52]
oh my God, that friend, she was always saying,
[20:55]
I'm gonna go back home.
[20:56]
I have a migraine starting, but I always heard,
[20:58]
I have a headache.
[21:00]
This is because of that cancer situation
[21:01]
that I had listened twice as much as usual.
[21:05]
And I really felt bad.
[21:06]
And so I had to pick up the phone and I asked my friend,
[21:08]
do you remember you were telling me if you had migraines,
[21:10]
you still have them?
[21:11]
And they'd say more than ever.
[21:13]
And my medication load has increased.
[21:15]
And I thought, would you mind
[21:16]
if I tried to help you differently?
[21:17]
And they're like, oh yeah, bring it on.
[21:19]
I was with McKinsey for eight years
[21:21]
and I had a corporate job.
[21:23]
I'm like, no, no, I just want to explore something
[21:24]
because I think something doesn't make sense.
[21:27]
And that's how I got into it.
[21:28]
I think at that stage, I was still very naive
[21:32]
on the amplitude of the complexity
[21:36]
of what I was getting into.
[21:38]
And I thought, oh, I could create a small AI
[21:41]
that removes migraines.
[21:42]
How cool would that be?
[21:43]
And I think the one thing
[21:44]
that makes this really different, really different
[21:47]
is I have never taken that pain for something illogical.
[21:52]
I always thought if your body says something, it says it.
[21:56]
As a child, I was sick a lot, you know,
[21:58]
and I got medicated a lot.
[21:59]
That woman, she transformed my life.
[22:01]
That woman in China, she transformed my life
[22:03]
within three weeks.
[22:04]
We can talk about that later.
[22:05]
And there was an urgency of giving back.
[22:08]
You know, if your brain says it's unwell,
[22:10]
then it is unwell.
[22:11]
And no, I don't think you have a neurological disorder.
[22:14]
You know, I don't like this term.
[22:15]
I don't think a fifth of the women
[22:18]
have a neurological disorder.
[22:20]
I don't think that's very respectful
[22:22]
of the feminine part of the world
[22:25]
that is producing the entire world that we are.
[22:28]
And so basically, I take them like a fire alarm.
[22:31]
I'm like, well, some houses have a fire alarm
[22:33]
and some houses do not.
[22:35]
It doesn't make your house more likely to go on fire.
[22:38]
Quite the opposite.
[22:39]
What it does is it's just sending you a signal
[22:41]
that there's smoke or there's fire.
[22:43]
Now, some fire alarm have one sensor.
[22:45]
That's when you have a late onset of migraines.
[22:47]
And some fire alarms have 16 sensors.
[22:50]
That's if you have a really early onset.
[22:52]
But the goal of the game is not to hammer
[22:54]
the alarm box or to cut the electricity of the house.
[22:57]
It's just to see, okay, where's the smoke
[22:59]
and where's the fire coming?
[23:00]
And once you extinguish them, the migraine goes.
[23:03]
When that happens, women are full of gratitude,
[23:06]
of tears, and a little bit of resentment
[23:08]
for the last 10, 20, 30, 40 years of their life
[23:11]
that they just lost.
[23:13]
I mean, this is totally incredible.
[23:15]
And I am just amazed, by the way,
[23:19]
at what you were talking about
[23:20]
with regard to your naivete when you came into this,
[23:23]
because I was exactly the same way too.
[23:25]
I was just like, I'm just going to help women
[23:26]
fix their hormone problems.
[23:28]
And, you know, and I just said all of these things
[23:31]
and just tried all of these things
[23:32]
and had no idea whether it was going to work or not.
[23:35]
And when it did start working, I was like,
[23:36]
oh, I think I'm onto something.
[23:37]
But, you know, you kind of just throw caution to the wind.
[23:40]
And, you know, I worked in film production.
[23:42]
So the fact that you were in a completely
[23:44]
unrelated industry.
[23:48]
I was very similar to you.
[23:49]
So I was like, well, I'm just going to see how this goes.
[23:51]
So it sounds very similar.
[23:52]
So can we talk about this?
[23:53]
Can we talk about the AI component and this approach?
[23:56]
Because obviously I haven't come across anyone
[23:59]
doing anything like this using AI.
[24:01]
I know AI is so new and a little scary for a lot of us.
[24:06]
So there's that too.
[24:06]
Yeah. So think of like Diane on steroids.
[24:10]
So Diane who never forgets how she helped a woman.
[24:14]
Like think of it, right?
[24:15]
So if you call it Diane, like you say, okay,
[24:18]
she never forgets someone she's helped.
[24:21]
She has gone through, you know, 30,000 trackers.
[24:24]
She knows 2000 medications by heart.
[24:26]
She knows what they're for.
[24:27]
She knows who's they interact with.
[24:30]
She knows every single symptom under the sun
[24:33]
and how they connect to migraines.
[24:35]
She knows how ethnicity actually impacts how much pools
[24:38]
you need to have given DNA.
[24:41]
She knows how long it's going to take you to get
[24:43]
on your feet, depending on your gastric juices, your age.
[24:46]
She knows your life stages and how it impacts your migraines.
[24:49]
She remembers every single migraine attack
[24:53]
She remembers the context.
[24:55]
She remembered if you had your menstruation
[24:56]
or what time of the cycle it was.
[24:58]
And therefore, Diane's great
[25:00]
because she had so many people get on their feet
[25:02]
that she's always only getting better
[25:04]
and only getting smarter.
[25:06]
And also she's available.
[25:07]
She can cut herself into pieces to make herself available
[25:11]
so that she never loses attention to help you.
[25:14]
That's what I'm creating.
[25:15]
It's just an extension of myself
[25:18]
and of the doctor I'm working with
[25:20]
to help women relentlessly and also in context
[25:24]
because women are not static.
[25:27]
It's very dynamic.
[25:28]
Their cycle's dynamic.
[25:29]
Their emotions are dynamic.
[25:30]
When they go through their life stage, everything's dynamic.
[25:33]
And so the AI aspect was just, hey, you know what?
[25:36]
I've helped a number of women now.
[25:38]
It's really getting complicated.
[25:39]
Plus they need to take different foods.
[25:41]
And even though those belong to the one you could find
[25:43]
in the supermarket and are not overly complicated,
[25:45]
sometimes they've never tried them.
[25:47]
They don't know how to prepare them.
[25:49]
So I need a bit of help with this.
[25:50]
And then I need to know all of these medications.
[25:53]
They talk about it.
[25:54]
And I had to place all of that information
[25:56]
somewhere and register it.
[25:58]
I was receiving people, you know, the same day, Nicole,
[26:01]
when I said, oh, I can help,
[26:02]
then I probably, just like me, received really hard cases.
[26:06]
But I remember the same day I received this woman
[26:08]
who was vegan, only eating organic, never medicating,
[26:12]
18 months of migraines every single day of the year, okay?
[26:17]
The insurer, local insurer said, we want you out.
[26:20]
We don't want to pay for you anymore.
[26:21]
Go back to work, take antidepressants.
[26:23]
The same day I received another woman who was 56.
[26:27]
She had done everything to try to get rid of her migraines,
[26:30]
including have a hysterectomy.
[26:32]
Like she did a hysterectomy in the hope
[26:34]
to get rid of her migraines.
[26:36]
And when I met her, she had had 40 years of migraines,
[26:39]
of depression, of herpes.
[26:41]
She was taking six scriptons a day, five days a week.
[26:45]
And I really had this moment of,
[26:47]
oh, I didn't mean I could do that.
[26:49]
I meant I could do the other stuff
[26:52]
for like my sister and that other friend.
[26:54]
I didn't mean that.
[26:56]
As in it felt really complicated?
[26:57]
It felt super complicated.
[26:59]
Yeah, insurmountable, I'm sure.
[27:01]
The first woman, it took me two months.
[27:03]
In two months, she was on her feet.
[27:05]
She was just so happy, forever grateful.
[27:08]
She's on the website.
[27:08]
Her name is Jessica.
[27:10]
She's from New Zealand.
[27:11]
She works in sustainability.
[27:13]
I love to help women
[27:14]
when they have a purpose in their life.
[27:15]
And the second woman, it took me way longer
[27:17]
because there were so many,
[27:18]
I had to unpeel her like an onion.
[27:20]
But you know what?
[27:23]
And she said, you're my only hope.
[27:24]
And when we were a couple of months into it,
[27:26]
she said, thank you so much for not giving up on me
[27:29]
because by now, everyone that I met in my life, they quit.
[27:33]
And when I was discussing with men,
[27:35]
they're like, why do you focus on such complicated ones?
[27:37]
Just go with the easy ones.
[27:39]
And I'm like, no, no,
[27:41]
because I'm cool and it's discriminating.
[27:43]
And that woman just deserves her brains
[27:45]
as much as everyone else.
[27:46]
But once you have made these discoveries
[27:48]
and you have helped her a certain way,
[27:50]
it is useful to archive that and say, okay,
[27:53]
next time we can actually do it twice as fast
[27:56]
for someone with a profile like that.
[27:58]
The success stories are just so cool.
[28:02]
And like you said,
[28:03]
the more complicated ones are so terrifying,
[28:06]
but then to have success like that
[28:08]
with someone who literally had a hysterectomy,
[28:12]
to cure her migraines.
[28:13]
I mean, the fact that we're even doing that,
[28:15]
because we know the uterus and the ovaries aren't the problem
[28:18]
but we're just taking organs out
[28:20]
because that's the way to do it.
[28:25]
Absolutely. Terrible.
[28:26]
And the thing is, I welcomed women.
[28:28]
And when I would listen to their story, which I always do,
[28:31]
I always start by listening.
[28:33]
I ask tests of 94 questions
[28:35]
and these questions are really useful,
[28:36]
but I still listen.
[28:38]
It's like, what happened?
[28:39]
I used to feel very, very sad
[28:41]
because I was like, oh my God, this is awful.
[28:44]
Like I'd border a half tears in my eyes.
[28:46]
I'd hold myself together
[28:47]
because I'm like, okay, we're not going to do that here.
[28:49]
But I was like, this life is a nightmare.
[28:51]
I just welcomed a woman, for example,
[28:53]
her migraines kicked in when she was at school.
[28:55]
She never managed to finish university.
[28:57]
She's never managed to work.
[28:58]
That woman is in complete isolation.
[29:01]
And we let that happen.
[29:03]
She's pretty young.
[29:04]
She's like 32, 35.
[29:05]
But now I have more like a sentiment of joy
[29:09]
because I'm like, you know what?
[29:10]
I'm so grateful you come here.
[29:11]
I'm so grateful we're meeting.
[29:15]
And stay really close to me.
[29:16]
Stay close, you know, track, do the work.
[29:19]
I'll be every step of the way.
[29:21]
I'll be next to you so we can move on.
[29:23]
And I can say every step of the way I'll be next to you
[29:25]
because systems help me do that.
[29:28]
This is Diane, careful with this one.
[29:29]
She has a new type of migraine.
[29:30]
She needs to be notified.
[29:31]
You need to change her list.
[29:33]
Hey Diane, this one is about to have a UTI.
[29:35]
She needs to eat a couple of foods.
[29:36]
Otherwise we're back on antibiotics.
[29:38]
Hey Diane, this one has really strong emotions.
[29:40]
Not sure what's going on,
[29:41]
but you need to give her a few foods to cool her down.
[29:44]
She's the symptoms of some things.
[29:46]
And these systems help me be there for them
[29:50]
every step they need me in their context.
[29:54]
And so can we talk a little bit more
[29:57]
about if someone has migraines
[29:59]
and they want the help that Nectar offers?
[30:03]
Can you describe the process?
[30:05]
Yes, so it's very simple.
[30:07]
You go on the website, which is mynectarhealth.com
[30:12]
and there's a test there, which is free of charge.
[30:15]
And you take the test.
[30:15]
It's 94 questions.
[30:17]
It's funny, a lot of men told me,
[30:18]
oh my God, you have 30 questions back in the days
[30:21]
and no one's going to answer that.
[30:23]
And I was like, yeah, I need the answer.
[30:25]
And now I have 94.
[30:26]
These women are motivated.
[30:28]
And they are so happy.
[30:30]
They're like, oh my God, like no one made these connections
[30:34]
and there is so much stuff,
[30:35]
other stuff going on in my body.
[30:37]
And I didn't appreciate all of that.
[30:39]
And wow, I'm making these connections
[30:42]
and this is going to be new.
[30:44]
And we meet for an hour conversation
[30:47]
and I listened to her first just to make sure,
[30:50]
not two women are similar,
[30:51]
just to make sure I grasped her profile correctly.
[30:54]
And then I do all of the talking.
[30:56]
And then I'm like, okay, so here's what's going on,
[30:58]
lady in your body.
[30:59]
And we go over history, how things build up
[31:03]
and why every single symptom she's feeling in her body
[31:06]
actually makes sense.
[31:08]
And at that moment,
[31:09]
there's this gigantic bonds between her and I.
[31:12]
For me, because I heard her story
[31:14]
and I immensely connected and committed to her
[31:17]
and for her because she's like,
[31:20]
okay, my body is not crazy.
[31:22]
I am making sense.
[31:23]
And this is a new light.
[31:26]
This is a new phase of my life that is starting.
[31:28]
And I just feel grateful.
[31:29]
And then from there, we set up the app together
[31:31]
because it's a different app for everyone.
[31:34]
And you know what?
[31:35]
We even have a money back.
[31:38]
So if after four months of working together,
[31:41]
she has no results and she's been eating and talking
[31:43]
and doing all of the right things,
[31:44]
we give her her money back.
[31:45]
We have no interest,
[31:47]
no interest in just taking people's money
[31:50]
for the sake of it.
[31:51]
We just want impact.
[31:53]
And we're quite bullish on what we have.
[31:57]
Well, I mean, that's a testament in and of itself.
[31:59]
So you keep saying we,
[32:01]
do you have a team of people who work with you?
[32:04]
Yeah, so there's Dr. Yifang Zhang with whom I work
[32:07]
and she's wonderful.
[32:09]
She's like, Diane, you've got this.
[32:11]
You've got the backup woman.
[32:12]
And she comes from five generations of doctors
[32:15]
that only use foods.
[32:17]
And I loved that about her.
[32:19]
And then Dr. Mary Zhang here who helped me
[32:21]
put a second part of the AI together
[32:24]
that relates to the vagus nerve.
[32:25]
Then a team of health practitioners
[32:28]
based in France, in the UK and in New Zealand.
[32:30]
So we can really serve people around the clock.
[32:33]
And then coders in Ghana, in Canada, in Perth.
[32:37]
Accountants in New Zealand,
[32:39]
because this is where I'm based.
[32:40]
Lawyers in Europe,
[32:42]
because this is where the law is most protective for people.
[32:46]
And so this is where I decided to protect people
[32:49]
with GDPR compliance, et cetera, et cetera.
[32:52]
And you know what?
[32:53]
They feel super happy with the work.
[32:56]
I also have a small team of social media, which is new.
[32:59]
It took me four years to come out of the closet.
[33:02]
And I have to say, Nicole, that's the part.
[33:03]
I think I love the podcast and I love interacting with you.
[33:06]
I love, I'm a one-to-one person.
[33:09]
I think of all of the things I've done,
[33:11]
social media is probably for me the bravest,
[33:13]
but I'm ready to communicate what we need to give.
[33:16]
This cannot carry on.
[33:18]
And so there's an intellectual gift,
[33:20]
but there's, you know, social media gift.
[33:23]
Like it has to be shared.
[33:25]
Like women can't be gaslighted and carry on like that.
[33:29]
It is definitely not working.
[33:31]
I was thinking about that.
[33:32]
I knew that like one of your talking points
[33:34]
before we started recording was about your approach
[33:38]
versus the mainstream approach.
[33:40]
And I know you've spoken about a few people
[33:41]
who are taking medication and doing all these things,
[33:44]
but like, it's just so frustrating
[33:46]
because you're kind of just beating your head
[33:48]
against the wall when you're taking medications
[33:50]
like five times a day or whatever it was you said
[33:53]
that that one client was taking
[33:55]
and not to be getting anywhere.
[33:57]
And then to be told, like you were saying
[33:59]
that it's just a neurological disorder.
[34:01]
Like there's something wrong with your brain.
[34:03]
Because I have friends who have recurrent migraines
[34:05]
and they've done all of the traditional medicine approaches
[34:09]
and they're still right back where they started
[34:11]
because they're just sort of sent on their way
[34:13]
when they're told that they can't find anything.
[34:16]
So I just really appreciate this different approach
[34:19]
because it's really the first time
[34:21]
I've heard anything quite like it.
[34:22]
And it's so hard for them
[34:24]
because like you go from one doctor to the other,
[34:27]
you know, some have empathy, some are in a hurry.
[34:30]
Like, let's face it, they're busy.
[34:32]
And then they do all of the tests, MRI, blood tests,
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and they say, there's nothing wrong with you.
[34:35]
I remember I had this woman in New Zealand.
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She was feeling dizzy every single day
[34:40]
in addition to her migraines,
[34:41]
but she had a baseline of dizziness of eight out of 10.
[34:44]
So really high dizzy.
[34:45]
And she goes to the doctor and the doctor says,
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no, I've done the MRI, I've done the blood test.
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Everything clear, you're good to go.
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And the doctor was just like, well, hold on.
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I'm like super dizzy every day.
[34:55]
Yeah, but there's really nothing wrong with you.
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I'm dizzy, I can't function.
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Yeah, there's just really nothing wrong with you.
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And we corrected that dizziness, it went to zero.
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And she felt immensely grateful.
[35:05]
She won a few prizes at work.
[35:07]
She's engaged now and it's really nice.
[35:09]
But the level of frustration and of deaf dialogue
[35:12]
was quite strong because I do think that
[35:15]
whereas some new researchers like Dr. J.
[35:18]
As Basrisha are, you know,
[35:20]
like link it to the gut brain axis and saying, hold on,
[35:22]
you know, maybe we're looking in the wrong place.
[35:25]
It's still gonna be years before.
[35:27]
And we look forward to contributing into that.
[35:29]
Years before we're actually able to explain all of it,
[35:32]
but not explain all of it in English,
[35:34]
but explain everything in scientific terms.
[35:36]
I think nature still has a lot of its charms
[35:41]
You know, I obviously feel the same way as you.
[35:44]
I feel like our gut is obviously majorly connected
[35:46]
to everything going on in our body.
[35:47]
I was just actually recording another podcast episode
[35:49]
with a fertility expert.
[35:51]
And we were talking about the gut fertility connection.
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And so it's basically the root of everything.
[35:56]
And so the fact that you've made that connection
[35:58]
and you're helping so many people is so awesome.
[36:02]
So when someone is working with you,
[36:05]
so they're basically getting food recommendations.
[36:07]
Is that pretty much the gist of what you're recommending
[36:09]
or are there other things too?
[36:10]
Yeah, that's incredible.
[36:12]
Let's talk about it.
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So it's really food recommendations,
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but I'm not taking over their diet.
[36:17]
They're only adding a couple of selective foods
[36:20]
in their diet in a certain order.
[36:23]
Then on the app, of course they have their trigger food
[36:25]
because they're asked,
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okay, do I need to suppress anything?
[36:27]
I'm like, look, there's triggers in your app
[36:29]
that are your triggers.
[36:30]
Some of them you will have identified for a long time.
[36:33]
Some of them you're going to lift an eyebrow
[36:37]
I'm having it every day.
[36:38]
If that's the case, you know, let's discuss about it.
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But unless you're having any of these trigger foods
[36:43]
every day, if you want to have it, have it.
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You just need to know it's an arbitrage.
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And so I'm really just adding foods.
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And then the other thing is they're like, okay,
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so do I have to stop my medication?
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I'm like, absolutely not.
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If you're in pain, your job, you manage your pain.
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My job, I remove your pain.
[36:58]
Your doctor's job, reassess the medication needed.
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I'm not going to tell you what you need to do
[37:05]
with your medication.
[37:06]
You follow the procedure that you're told
[37:08]
and you need to do your MRI
[37:10]
and you need to do your blood test.
[37:11]
These are important, right?
[37:12]
So you need to rule out anything else.
[37:14]
But yeah, my job is to remove your migraines.
[37:17]
Once they're gone, then you can reassess
[37:18]
with your doctor the need for medication.
[37:20]
Meanwhile, if you're in pain,
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I'm no one to judge your pain level.
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Not your pain level, your resilience to pain
[37:27]
or your endurance with pain.
[37:28]
That's very personal.
[37:29]
And you need to manage it the best way you can.
[37:32]
And I need to go as fast as I can to help you.
[37:36]
Okay. So it's so simple.
[37:38]
That's the thing too, that's really interesting to me
[37:40]
with all of this, right?
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And because we're made to believe
[37:44]
that our bodies are so complicated and so broken, right?
[37:50]
So the execution is incredibly simple.
[37:53]
And so incredibly simple.
[37:55]
The how to get what foods to do their job
[37:59]
is really complicated.
[38:00]
I give you a few examples
[38:01]
because to remove migraines,
[38:03]
you have to remove the underlying problem.
[38:05]
Now the underlying problem, or you need to soften it.
[38:08]
You know, it can even be PCOS or it can be cystic ovaries
[38:11]
or it can be endometriosis.
[38:15]
So let's talk about, for example,
[38:16]
I take a woman who has recurring UTI.
[38:19]
So she's had a recurring UTI for years
[38:21]
and she has each time received antibiotics for it.
[38:25]
And so over time, the more she has UTI,
[38:28]
the more she has antibiotics
[38:29]
and the more she has antibiotics, the more she has UTI.
[38:31]
So she starts to be in that vicious circle.
[38:33]
It may go as far as I've had a couple of women
[38:36]
who would have bladder pain constantly.
[38:40]
It's like they had a UTI without bacteria.
[38:42]
So they have to take antibiotics just after intercourse.
[38:45]
If you do that, your gut biome,
[38:47]
like everyone knows right now,
[38:49]
your gut biome is wrenched.
[38:52]
So your brain is gonna start,
[38:54]
if you have a genetic predisposition for migraines,
[38:56]
your brain's gonna say,
[38:57]
hey, hold on, can we change this approach?
[38:59]
That's not good for me.
[39:01]
It's not good for you.
[39:01]
Can we change that?
[39:03]
Your brain's gonna start to usually feel very, very foggy.
[39:05]
So in order to remove the migraine,
[39:08]
I have to remove the fogginess.
[39:09]
I have to change that biome massively.
[39:12]
And so this is where what to know to do is complicated,
[39:16]
but what to do is simple.
[39:18]
Does that make sense?
[39:19]
Oh, it totally does because we're all unique beings
[39:21]
and our bodies are all different.
[39:23]
Yeah, and it's all nature.
[39:24]
And I think we're meant to believe
[39:27]
that our bodies can't work.
[39:28]
And also nature is to blame
[39:30]
because it doesn't have nutrients enough.
[39:33]
And it's like, well, are your gastric juices strong enough?
[39:35]
Can you absorb food?
[39:36]
Okay, if you can't, we're gonna fix that too
[39:38]
because you're gonna need to absorb what I give you.
[39:41]
And I always put teas,
[39:42]
always put teas and infusions
[39:44]
because they're easy and women are busy.
[39:46]
They certainly are.
[39:48]
The fact that you're just making this
[39:51]
as simple and easy as possible,
[39:53]
because like you said, women are so busy.
[39:55]
We're so overwhelmed with life as it is.
[39:58]
I think that adding this to your plate,
[40:00]
it just feels overwhelming
[40:02]
as in like adding the healing component of,
[40:05]
like if you're working with someone
[40:06]
to address whatever chronic health issue you're dealing with,
[40:09]
whether it's heavy periods or migraines
[40:11]
or period pain or whatever,
[40:13]
implementing a whole bunch of things
[40:15]
is inherently challenging.
[40:17]
And usually women are like, I can't do all of this.
[40:19]
So you're also, in addition to curing them
[40:22]
of their migraines,
[40:23]
you're actually making it a really simple process,
[40:26]
which like I said,
[40:26]
I'm so excited to share all of this with everyone.
[40:29]
Yeah, it's a simple process because women are so busy.
[40:32]
And I always tell them, look,
[40:33]
you're gonna have plenty of fun later
[40:35]
because suddenly, so imagine, Nicole,
[40:37]
if I was telling you, you know,
[40:38]
in five months of eating this food,
[40:40]
you can have two times 24 hours in a day,
[40:43]
because this is what happens.
[40:44]
Suddenly they have this unleashed energy.
[40:46]
They had plans to have a migraine
[40:47]
and they don't have a migraine.
[40:48]
They're like, yay, what am I gonna do with that time?
[40:51]
So then they get curious.
[40:52]
They, I don't know, they do more.
[40:54]
And I also want to say, we've used the word cure
[40:57]
because it's genetic.
[41:00]
Yeah, I should be careful with my language.
[41:03]
Yeah, I just want to be mindful of it.
[41:04]
And they can come back.
[41:06]
So maybe let's talk about that.
[41:07]
So a woman's gonna, you know,
[41:09]
let's imagine she has endometriosis and recurring UTIs
[41:12]
and her brain's really foggy and in pain a lot.
[41:15]
And we're gonna undo that.
[41:16]
She has a better biome.
[41:17]
She has no more bloating.
[41:19]
She's feeling great.
[41:20]
And then a couple of years later, she goes through menopause.
[41:23]
Well, then she may experience another form of imbalance
[41:26]
and her brain will again, raise its hands and say,
[41:30]
can you please attend to me?
[41:31]
We're going through a bit of a hormonal change right now.
[41:34]
Can you support me?
[41:35]
Can you hydrate my brain, please?
[41:37]
So it's really thinking of the vagus nerve.
[41:40]
So the incredible nerve that, you know,
[41:42]
takes its roots in your stomach and in your kidneys
[41:46]
And then it goes like a trunk that goes in your neck
[41:49]
and plugs in like a Tesla in your brain.
[41:51]
That's the beautiful vagus nerve
[41:53]
that we're constantly helping out.
[41:56]
And it's discussing with us and we're improving it.
[41:57]
And so we're constantly managing.
[41:59]
And so therefore we can say cure in the sense
[42:02]
that the quality of life is massively increased,
[42:05]
but the genetic is always there.
[42:06]
And the genetic, I would say, it's a tool for longevity.
[42:10]
And this is where I don't like the scientific language.
[42:12]
It is not a neurological disorder.
[42:14]
It's a tool for longevity and we have to change the dialogue
[42:17]
and we have to let women be intuitive.
[42:21]
I think that our intuition, that inner voice,
[42:25]
it's been almost extinguished for so many of us
[42:28]
by the time we get to adulthood.
[42:30]
And I remember myself at 10, 11, 12 years old
[42:33]
when I was having issues.
[42:35]
I remember feeling like I needed to say something,
[42:37]
like I needed to advocate for myself,
[42:39]
that something wasn't right.
[42:40]
And by the time I got into my early twenties,
[42:44]
I had just about given up on that
[42:46]
because nobody was listening.
[42:47]
And I think that that's just the case for so many of us.
[42:50]
And so you're so right in that
[42:52]
you have to rekindle that connection.
[42:54]
To share the little story, when I was in China,
[42:57]
I tried to put a Myrana UD
[42:59]
and I was hoping I wouldn't bleed so much.
[43:01]
I was like, oh great.
[43:02]
So this was before I knew this, of course.
[43:05]
And so I put the Myrana UD and I tried to bleed every day.
[43:07]
And so I go back to my gynecologist,
[43:09]
who's a remarkable gynecologist.
[43:11]
And she says, oh yeah, you're probably sputting.
[43:13]
I'm like, no, I'm bleeding.
[43:14]
Yeah, yeah, you're probably sputting.
[43:16]
Like I'm bleeding.
[43:17]
Can we remove this?
[43:18]
Yeah, no, let's give it a bit more time.
[43:21]
And I'm like, I'm bleeding, I'm exhausted.
[43:23]
Can you remove this thing?
[43:24]
No, no, we're gonna wait.
[43:26]
And so I had to wait a whole four months.
[43:27]
When she removed it, she said,
[43:29]
oh my God, this really doesn't suit you.
[43:31]
Like, do you want a third?
[43:32]
Because I was like, oh, thank you.
[43:35]
Like, don't go for it immediately
[43:36]
because this is just not a really cushy,
[43:39]
welcoming environment for an embryo.
[43:42]
I was like, thank you very much.
[43:43]
I was telling you that.
[43:44]
And so I find this happens a lot, a lot, a lot.
[43:49]
You know, I'll give you another example with depression
[43:52]
where a woman's gonna go to see a doctor
[43:55]
and I explain her situation
[43:57]
and the doctor sort of listens and says,
[43:59]
you're probably depressed, right?
[44:01]
Is it like, well, have you seen my life?
[44:02]
I can't take care of my kids.
[44:03]
I just lost my job because, you know,
[44:05]
my employer thinks I don't like my job, but I loved it.
[44:07]
But I had so much absenteeism or, you know,
[44:10]
I have to hide to people I have migraines
[44:12]
because it's hidden, right?
[44:13]
So I'm gonna try to hide it because, you know,
[44:15]
otherwise, you know, I sound like a broken record.
[44:17]
I can't go to social events.
[44:19]
So yeah, my life's pretty tough.
[44:20]
So I'm not depressed as a person,
[44:22]
but the situation is quite depressing.
[44:25]
So you're depressed, right?
[44:26]
I don't know, but that's not my personality.
[44:28]
It's just the situation.
[44:29]
Like, just put yourself in my shoes,
[44:31]
but so you're depressed.
[44:32]
And then they're like, am I, am I depressed?
[44:35]
And so from a genetic standpoint,
[44:37]
depression and migraines are actually quite intertwined.
[44:41]
And in traditional transmedicine,
[44:43]
the root cause is the same
[44:45]
or can be the same in some circumstances,
[44:47]
but it's that self-doubt of, okay,
[44:50]
am I someone I don't think I am?
[44:51]
Like, and then they feel even more isolated.
[44:53]
And so listen to your intuition.
[44:55]
If you have a happy personality
[44:57]
and you're in a difficult situation,
[44:59]
everyone would feel down.
[45:00]
difficult situation. Don't beat yourself up. I would like to say you're not depressed. You just
[45:04]
need to get rid of your migraines and then you'll be yourself again. Yes. Thank you for that. Thank
[45:10]
you. Thank you. Can you share with everybody where they can find you, where they can find
[45:15]
Nectar Health? I think that this is just going to be so remarkable for everyone who is suffering.
[45:20]
Yes. So you can find us on our website. So www.mynectarhealth.com. You can find us on
[45:26]
Instagram, My Nectar Health. You can find us on Reddit, on Facebook. We really got into it. And I
[45:32]
think you're going to love to see us thrive and start to have this beautiful conversation that
[45:37]
should have happened a long time ago. But we got carried, I think, with the pain signal that,
[45:42]
I don't know. I don't know how we got there, but we got there as a society. And I think
[45:46]
this needs to change. And I think like you say, a woman will go menstrual because it's
[45:50]
taking control of their life and they need to be freed. And we need those, you know,
[45:54]
18% of women to be the mothers, the daughters, the leaders that we need in society. You know,
[46:00]
we can't carry on with women medicated that much and so much pain. Thank you. Amen to that. Thank
[46:06]
you, Diane, so much. This was really enlightening. I so appreciate all of the information you shared
[46:11]
and all your knowledge. Thank you. Thank you, Nicole. That's a wrap. Be sure to join me for
[46:19]
more Girl Talk on Menstrual in upcoming episodes. And let me and my guests help you to get to know
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