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Welcome to Friends with Fertility, the podcast where we dive deep into the world of fertility,
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reproductive health, and all the emotional journeys that are in between.
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I'm your host, Elizabeth King, a fertility expert dedicated to providing you with the
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knowledge, support, and inspiration you need on your path to parenthood.
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Whether you're just starting out, exploring your options, or looking for solidarity and
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advice, we are here for you.
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Let's embark on this journey together and turn uncertainty into empowerment and make
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friends with fertility.
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Let's get started.
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Hello, beautiful friends.
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Today we are going to be listening to a podcast I recorded with Diane Ducarme.
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She is the founder and CEO of Nectar Health and this amazing app called Migraine Heroes.
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Myself, after this podcast with her, became a client to get to the bottom of my gut health
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and headaches and the combination of the both.
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She takes the blending of Eastern medicine and Western science and advanced technology
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to uncover the root of migraine disease.
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From her studies on doing this and helping so many people, she realized that actually
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fertility and getting pregnant was a side effect from it, so to speak.
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I hope that you listen and love this podcast.
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Let us know if you have any other questions and I can't wait to hear what you think.
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Welcome back to Friends with Fertility.
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Today our friend is Diane Ducarme.
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She is going to talk to us today about fertility and migraines and the correlation with them.
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Thanks for being here.
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With so much pleasure.
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Thank you for having me.
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Migraines is, I feel like, one of these areas that's such an enigma.
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People who have them are debilitated by them and can't function.
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People who don't have them don't understand what it's like to have it and kind of not
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judge them, but it's really a concept that you can't get your head around.
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How do you have a headache that's so bad that you can't have the lights on or you're throwing
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up and things like that?
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How did you get into this specialized field of studying migraines?
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My sister was having migraines, one of my sister, and that year, our uncle had died
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of a glioblastoma, which is a very violent form of brain tumor.
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He was leaving four children behind.
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My sister took me apart and said, for the last three years, I've had very, very strong
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I've done a couple of MRI and CD scans and they come out like there's nothing, but I'm
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pretty certain I might have that same disease growing in me.
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She was very, very anxious having herself three children.
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It was quite a traumatic family event.
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And I said to her, look, I understand that you feel that way.
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I know someone who I think can help.
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And this someone was my Chinese doctor, had lived for five years in Shanghai.
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And together, my sister and I, we wrote three pages of all of her symptoms for Dr. Zhang.
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And together we had an hour call with her.
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And Dr. Zhang advised my sister what to eat.
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And after four months, my sister no longer had migraines.
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This was 10 years ago.
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I didn't think much of it because at the time, I was in the second category of people.
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The way you describe the ones who can't really relate to the pain, I think the reason why
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I was listening harder that day is because of my uncle.
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But then fast forward in 2019, my neighbor here in New Zealand said the same.
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My neighbor was from New York.
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And she said, Dianne, I've had a really confrontational conversation with my dad.
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After seven years of migraines, he advised that I have injections in my brain for a lifetime.
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That doesn't sound very reasonable.
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Surely no one does that.
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Turns out it's very, very common.
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But I didn't know.
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And I think ignorance here is key.
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I said to her, I've managed to help my sister through someone in China.
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Do you mind if I ask you a bunch of questions and recommend you foods?
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And she liked that idea a lot.
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And after four months, she also no longer had migraines, except this time she was the
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daughter of a neurologist.
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So that's a very good reason.
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I'm glad I asked because I feel like when people choose to dive deep into something,
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there's usually some correlation that is personal to them.
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So thank you for sharing that.
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Now fast forward to what you're doing today.
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Tell our audience about that.
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What is it that you're doing?
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Are you with migraines and helping people?
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So I've basically created, I'm very geeky.
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I've created an AI to read why do you have migraines based on about a hundred questions.
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And so basically along your gut brain axis, what is going wrong with it and therefore
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which foods are going to solve for your gut brain axis for your guts to be happy and therefore
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your brain to be happy.
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And when I say guts, of course I encompass hormones.
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And what I've realized by doing that, which was really, really bizarre, is I started to
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have to warn people for fertility.
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And so I said, very careful moving forward.
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Your fertility has massively increased and people would reply to me, I cannot have children.
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This is not a problem for me.
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And I said, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no.
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You were having a delayed fertility issue or sort of very imbalances inside of your body
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that are now fixed.
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Therefore your fertility has massively increased.
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I need you to rethink or think about contraception.
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And it was so serious that I started to put it in my newsletters as people would make
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You know, newsletter number 16 would be careful moving forward.
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You start to be very, very fertile.
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And then I started to have people asking me to help them become fertile.
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And I thought, sure, like if you have migraines and fertility delayed, absolutely.
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And we were having just a massive track record of success.
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And so we started to talk more about that.
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So first I want to go back to the gut.
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You said it's on a gut access.
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Did I understand you correctly?
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So what is the gut and the migraines?
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What's the correlation there?
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So in the last 15 years in the West, we have been able to establish the fact that your
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brain of course gives instruction to your gut, but your gut also gives instruction to
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So you're basically able to access your brain through what you ingest, through what
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And so when your migraine pain manifests itself, it's what is it saying?
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Let's imagine for a moment, like you play football and you hurt your knee and then your
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You go to the doctor and let's imagine your knee was broken.
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If your doctor was hammering you with painkiller, you'd still come back three years later
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and say that knee stuff is not fixed.
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Well, when your brain hurts, where does it hurt and what is it saying that it's hurting
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That's what we use the systems to read and therefore then fix that, if that makes sense.
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So then could you argue that even if you didn't have migraines, but you had some gut imbalance
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that you could still help your fertility if you could figure out the gut imbalance?
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Because I do feel as much as migraines are very common, they're still quite rare in the
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bigger population, whereas I feel, maybe I'm wrong, that more people would have gut issues
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and say, I either have diarrhea regularly or I'm constipated or this or that.
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But they also think that, as I thought as well, that's just a Pandora's box.
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If I go down this road of trying to figure out my gut health, I could be trying to figure
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this out for years, and I have done that.
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And versus, I think migraines is much more, here's your options, right?
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Like you said, you can do injections, you can do this, you can do that.
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But that, again, correlation between the gut health and the brain, I feel like is a pretty
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new concept, right?
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Even people recognizing depression can be from the serotonin receptors in the gut that
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So again, to fertility, why wouldn't we just say, okay, let's everybody figure out what
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they're eating and then that's going to help their fertility?
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Yeah, it's a great, great question.
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Indeed, you're right.
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So it's one in five women who suffer from migraine disease, whereas it's one in 20 men.
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So it's a very, very big difference.
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So here you can already see-
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Yeah, great question.
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So in the West, we say we don't know, because purely hormonal migraines do not account for
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that difference between men and women, that really massive difference of percentage of
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incidence of migraine.
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But the answer is that the female body is a lot more sophisticated system.
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If you think in reproduction, right, a man, and you compare a man and a woman to two factories,
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the woman as a factory is going to produce a child, okay?
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So two eyes, a brain, a set of bones, fingernails, hair, the whole thing, whereas a man is going
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It's really important, but in terms of sophistication of cells, it's quite not so sophisticated.
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And so if you had to compare two factories, you'd say the woman produces cars and men
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It's a very different system.
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And so if the brain is the dashboard of the system, then the dashboard of the female brain
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is a lot more sophisticated.
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And so it is no surprise that the incidence of migraines is going to triple to quadruple
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for women at puberty.
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So when the woman starts to enter those fertility years, the incidence rate is going to drastically
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So it goes from 5% to 18% to 22%.
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And how do we define migraine?
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I guess let's ask that question too, because I think a lot of people have hormonal headaches.
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Where does a headache then turn into a migraine?
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So a migraine is a full body experience that can last anywhere from three to four hours
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up to three to four days on paper.
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In practice, it can start one day and sort of never finish.
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And a migraine comes with a full body sensation.
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So it can, but not always, involve head pain.
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And it will be accompanied by symptoms such as nausea, vomiting, throbbing pain.
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It can have trembling sensations, numbness in the arms or legs, aura or seeing dots,
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spots, prisms, flashlight in the eyes.
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So, yeah, and the sensitivity to smell and sensitivity to sounds that is completely exacerbated.
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Thank you for defining that.
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And with the machine of the woman or the, is that, I can't remember how you just referred
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to it, is that because we are expected to do more, make more, et cetera, and therefore
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have more migraines, is the diagnosis for that pretty similar and or the remedy for
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that pretty similar for most women?
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When you say with your neighbor and your sister, let me do this test and then we'll change
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Are those foods that are changing the same for everybody or are they different based
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It's very different.
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It's very different.
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Let's imagine a woman who has gone through a lot of IVF, yeah, and she's trying to become
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pregnant and her fertility is not fully kicking in.
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It is very possible that this woman just has a few blood clots or cysts or fibroids or
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unwanted tissues inside of her uterus.
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If and only if she has a genetic predisposition for migraines, which is 1 to 128 genes locally
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that have been identified, then her brain will manifest and indicate that there is a
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problem inside her uterus by sort of when the uterus contracts, the signal of pain is
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sent to the brain.
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And that way I know as a practitioner that there's probably blood clots or unwanted tissue
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or cysts or fibroids in her uterus.
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And we remove that just adding foods.
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So what type of foods can remove those sorts of things?
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There's a myriad and depends a little bit on what the person has.
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So if the person has a cyst or unwanted tissues, cysts in particular, you will use some herbs
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in combination that will remove them.
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And you can see on the ultrasounds that before she used to have the cysts and they're no
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So I had a woman, she had three cysts, for example, and she was due for a hysterectomy,
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which is never very desirable.
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It's not a pleasant operation.
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And the day of her operation, the doctor said, oh, those cysts are actually gone.
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Well, you can go home.
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There's nothing to operate about.
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Blood clots, I think the most extreme example I've had is a woman who had a blood clot the
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size of a baseball.
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I had to Google what's a baseball because I thought I had the wrong ball in mind because
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I thought that's very, very large.
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Most people will have them the size of a rice grain or the size of an almond.
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But those will prevent the needation, it would prevent the sperm and the egg from having
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a very lush and comfortable ground to grow.
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When they start to grow, they hit that hurdle and then falls and then there's a bit of a
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miscarriage, which sometimes the woman is not going to know about.
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She might intuitively feel, I felt I was pregnant, maybe just a couple of days, but my period
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was just delayed and I felt something happened, but I can't prove it.
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But she intuitively feels it is probably correct.
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And so it's very key to clean that.
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Now, when you clean that, the migraines during menstruations go.
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When you don't clean that, the migraines exist during the menstruation.
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So it's, again, the difference between the person who has the gene and the gene is going
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to give the fire alarm.
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The people who don't have the gene, the fire alarm isn't going to be there, but the problem
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And again, my frame of reference right now I'm going to use as myself with, I don't have
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migraines, but I do get headaches before I start menstruating that are pretty significant
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for somebody who doesn't normally get headaches.
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That's really the only time I know that I'm like, okay, I must be starting my period because
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I have this really bad headache, which I really started, I think when I was pregnant, when
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I started getting headaches and my doctor would say, drink a full sugar Coke for the
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caffeine and a Tylenol and it went away.
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So I thought, okay, that's fine.
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I did that and moved on with everything now post trying to have children.
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It's very clear that something is going on hormonally, right?
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That is causing my brain to feel my head to feel pain.
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So if I were to change the diet and we talk about this a little bit with cycle thinking
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and eating right for your cycle time and all of that, but this, what you're talking about
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feels even deeper to me than that.
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So how would we kind of start to dig into, okay, it may not be a full migraine, but it's
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something signaling to the brain that something is off in my opinion, right?
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Like any sort of pain that your body is signaling during the time of your cycle to me means
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your hormones are off.
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Something is not balancing the way that it should be.
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Is that something that you can help people with as well?
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And it's super when you have that, I would call the superpower when you have that gene,
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which is technically, it may not seem like that because people are in a lot of pain and
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sometimes I mean extreme pain, but there's an advanced to that genetic predisposition,
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which is if you can reach that message, it's a very interesting message to send to the
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body so that the body can defend itself.
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So in the case of migraines before menstruation or headaches before menstruation, before menstruation
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or each time the body menstruate, it has an opportunity to detox very profoundly.
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So in her fertility years, a woman is going to lose 23 to 28 liters of menstruation.
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So I'll repeat that in her fertility years, the average woman, not the one with the heavy
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menstruation, the average woman is going to lose 23 to 28 liters of menstruation.
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If you add that to the number of kilograms of baby she's going to produce, we're talking
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about a human making machine that will have made on a lifetime, a solid 30 kilos of physical
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I just want to interrupt you really quick on that because I think a lot of people believe
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that their cycle is normal if they're bleeding heavy or if they're not bleeding enough.
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And it's important that your body is actually getting a full bleed every month.
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So look into that a little bit if you just to look at those numbers to say, does that
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seem like that would be me or not?
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Because that's an indication that something is off.
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If you don't bleed that much or you're bleeding really heavily, something also is off there.
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So I just want to tag on to what you just said.
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And if I can even double click on that, sometimes the menstruation is really heavy.
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If your menstruation is very heavy, it may mean that your body is trying to expel something
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If your menstruation is very scanty, very, very little is very light pink, it may mean
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that you have deficiencies that are quite important and that will impact your hormones.
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If your menstruation is very, very dark and very, very sticky, it means that your uterus
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is in a state where it's not, the flow of blood is not very healthy and therefore it
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can grow bad stuff faster.
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And so it needs a bit of a boost.
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Now, if through contraception you decide not to bleed, it may resume a bit of energy
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initially, but it may contribute to migraines down the line.
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So let's imagine you were someone with a lot of heavy menstruation and you decided to go
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on contraception and, for example, have a migraine IUD.
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Initially, it may alleviate migraine, but over time will accentuate them because you're
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no longer flushing the toxins that you have once in your cycle.
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So if you can keep on bleeding, you know, once a cycle, that's the most natural and the
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most efficient way to allow for your body to work the way it's supposed to.
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Thank you for saying that and sorry for interrupting.
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I just wanted to make that point.
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That's really important.
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And so here we were talking about this before about, you know, how sometimes people can
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have headaches before their menstruation.
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So before the menstruation, so the body is about to flush blood and flush toxins.
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And so what happens in the few days leading up to that moment is that the body is going
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to gather all of the toxins alongside the liver system.
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So it's going to get ready for flush.
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Imagine you have trash in your house.
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It's the moment where you expect the garbage truck, garbage truck being the menstruation
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to arrive. And so you're going to assemble all of the trash together in order to put it
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in the rubbish bin. And so if you have and you might experience that if you've done a
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little bit of excesses in the month or if your liver has been under under detoxing or
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under sort of stimulated during the month, you will have more toxins.
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And this inflammation at your liver system is going to create an inflammation that will
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be felt in the brain, in particular around the temple, across the eyebrows, on top of
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the head and can influence your eyes.
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So making you more sensitive to light, more dizziness, more aura, dots, prisms in the
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vision or sort of rainbows vision.
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And so all of that correlates with just the liver having just excess toxins.
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Now, that in itself will impact your hormone level.
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And so you will see your hormone level not at the right level.
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But in the east, that would be more of not the root cause, but a consequence, a first
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a first layer of root cause.
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But there's a deeper layer below that, if that makes sense.
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OK, so interesting and also curious to me now, why isn't everybody who's trying to get
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pregnant doing this and figuring out what they're eating or what they should be eating?
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Yeah, I guess let's start with that question.
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Why wouldn't we be offering this to anyone, whether they have migraines or not, trying
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Yeah, it's a very interesting question.
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I think in the in the east, like if you take Ayurveda or traditional Chinese medicine,
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women was at the center of health.
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If you write health in Chinese, the Chinese character is a woman under a roof.
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And it's because all of the centricity of health was not around the men.
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We can prove more easily scientifically, but around the woman, because she's in charge of
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reproducing society.
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And when you look at the size of those populations, they're quite humongous.
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The density of population is quite strong.
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So they did understand something about about female.
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So in in the old past, this was part of the common wisdom and the knowledge.
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Like, how do we how do we get sort of large, healthy populations?
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I think in the West over the years, we've maybe slightly disconnected ourselves from
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our cycle, disconnected ourselves from our inner fertility, start to suppress menstruation
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with contraception and sort of led very modern lives where we're just a bit disconnected
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from our own sensations and our own intuition that sometimes are also, you know, negated
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and gaslit by professionals.
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So you can go to the doctor and say, I feel it's my migraine IUD giving me migraine.
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And the person might say, the doctor might say, I don't think it is.
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And your intuition is very strong and you're going to be right that is going to be removed
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and you're still going to have migraine because there's a bit of a domino effect that went
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on. But still, your intuition was right.
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But on paper, you are wrong.
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And so therefore, the woman not only does she have less intuition with her body, she
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also has sort of more resistance, more sometimes scientific resistance.
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So far, this will evolve, of course.
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Absolutely. I feel I see that so often because of exactly what you're saying is with the
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birth control in whatever form that is for contraception, doctors here, at least in the
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States, give it out for everything, right?
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You have cramps, you take the pill, you have acne, you take the pill, et cetera, really
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believing that there's no side effects.
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Oh, don't worry, your fertility is fine.
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It's low dose hormone or it's non-hormonal or whatever it may be.
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And my argument to that is it's disrupting your reproductive system, period.
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No matter how absolutely how you're trying to do that, you know, whether it's hormonal
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or not, you're still signaling to your body, don't do what it's meant to be doing.
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And then you're going to want to have the expectation later down the line that it just
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switches back on like with no problem.
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And I just find that really infuriating when moms of teenage girls are, what do you
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recommend for for birth control for my child?
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And I'm like, I don't, I can't believe that people would be saying that now with all
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Yeah, so I agree, very, very true because it really perturbs the whole, all of your
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hormones, all of your ability to reproduce, you know, sending all sorts of signals to
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your body. And look, I remember being a teenager myself, taking the pill, having my
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body transform a lot after taking the pill.
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And when I was on exchange program, I went to Mexico.
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My mom said, maybe it would be wise for you to stop that pill for some time.
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We don't have any, any empirical evidence for many years of the consequence of these
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sort of daily, daily pills that people take.
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I stopped taking it and I did not have my menstruation for seven months.
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I went to do lots of analysis.
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And I remember being in Mexico with the doctor saying, hey, you can't, lady, take a pill
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for every single day and think there's no consequence to that.
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Just get your act together.
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It will come back.
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And it did come back.
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But it just give me, give me, you know, a complete scare because I thought, oh, my God,
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Why? What's happening?
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Right. What did I do that could potentially cause this?
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So let's say people come through you and they do this test to see what's going on with
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their migraines and their gut health and they're given a special diet or foods to eat
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and avoid. Or what is that?
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Yeah, that's a really great question.
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So I'm just adding.
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No obsession with removal.
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There's lots of food that will be triggers, but there's no point in removing them because
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over time they're no longer triggers.
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And so I just add and I don't take over the diet.
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I just add a couple of foods a day, every single day in a very transparent way.
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So I might say, OK, in the selection, we're going to stimulate this system.
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And these are all of the symptoms that are going to disappear with it.
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And in that list, we're going to tackle that system.
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And so that will have a massive influence on on menstruation.
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I remember vividly a woman in Belgium.
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She had had four IVFs and the doctors were about to give her a fifth one.
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And she also had migraines.
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And her friend had said, oh, go and see Diane for your migraines.
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And and I said, are you coming for fertility?
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Right. She's like, no, for my migraines.
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I'm like, oh, well, you can do two birds, one stone.
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And I said, well, first of all, your body's really tired.
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Just give it a rest.
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And we said that her body.
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And one day she sent me a message inside the app.
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There's a chat in the migraine.
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He was up. And she says, wow, Diane, I have this glorious, beautiful
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red flush, no clots menstruation with no PMS,
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no cramps, no migraine, no clots.
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Like I've never experienced this.
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Oh, my God. That's how it was supposed to be all along.
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And I said, oh, well, now you're fertile.
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Go ahead and try to be pregnant.
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And she was pregnant that month.
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I think sometimes people feel, yes, it's a statistic.
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Statistically, you know, I can be pregnant, you know, for 16 percent a month,
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you know, of chance.
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But the reality is when the body aligns, meaning when my hair is beautiful
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and my skin is hydrated and my voice is strong
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and I'm not anxious for everything and I digest properly, I have bowel movements.
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So I go to the to the bathroom once a day and I have a good bowel movement.
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I don't have diarrhea. I don't have constipation.
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I don't feel bloated.
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I have a beautiful menstruation.
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I have a clear mind.
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I'm not feeling dizzy. I'm not feeling foggy.
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Then, you know, your body just wants one single thing on Earth is to reproduce.
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As it is meant to be. Right.
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And I think that that's where it's we say going back to nature
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and what that your body is meant to do.
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And sometimes there's just roadblocks in the way preventing that.
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But this sounds like, dare I say, a quite easy
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fix to go in that direction.
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So like, look, I have two jobs.
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Number one is finding and solving the problem.
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Number two is making you do a few things.
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So I have to make it incredibly easy.
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So I'm just adding foods.
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I also add lots of teas, infusions.
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I'm myself a little bit of a lazy cook.
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I don't spend a lot of time in the kitchen, but I do.
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I do massively care about, OK, what do I ingest and why do I do I take that?
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And so with lots of infusions and decoctions, you can completely get away
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with it and not even have to eat anything.
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You know, you can have things on a on a fluid form.
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And yes, and just adding completely from nature, no need for supplements.
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Even, you know, things can just go away on their own.
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And also in a way that you feel, oh, I see what she's doing.
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These migraines during ovulations are gone and they were indicating
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indeed problems with my ablation.
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These migraines during my menstruation are gone.
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These migraines technically after my menstruation is dizziness.
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You know, all of these are are a way or some women, for example,
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they will have diarrhea when they have their menstruation,
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just when they have their menstruation,
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which is a sign that the ovulation system is a bit weak.
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Then, OK, which foods are going to, you know, replenish that?
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And then you do things in a certain order.
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There are some things you have to do before others, etc.
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If you've had surgery, you also need to fix that.
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If you've gone through miscarriages, you have to clean the uterus.
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And yeah, and it all makes perfect sense.
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And it's so interesting that again, our Western doctors don't talk about that.
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I remember after my
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after my second miscarriage and I continued to bleed really badly
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and my doctor's like, no, everything's fine.
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I'm like, everything is not fine. Something is not right.
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And this is a doctor I had a very long relationship with.
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So I trusted him, but I also trusted my body.
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I had been through a miscarriage before.
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This felt very different.
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I went for a second opinion and I still had fetal tissue left in my uterus,
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which is why I was continuing to bleed so massively after such a long time.
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And I think that that's another example of knowing your body.
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And then my follow up question to him was, if I don't do another surgery
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to get this out, what can I do to flush out the uterus and clean it out
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and make sure they don't have an answer for that?
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Their answer is to do another surgery, to do another DNC
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and go out and scrape everything out.
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So it seems like such common sense to kind of go back to nature.
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And you wouldn't think, OK, there must be something that can do this.
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I know even Yoni steams and things like that
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from ancient years ago are aspects of cleaning out the uterus.
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But it's amazing to me because, again, it seems quite simple
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in the big scheme of things.
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It's not a surgery.
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It's simply adding to what you're ingesting to help that.
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How long do generally speaking, because I'm sure everybody's different,
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but how long do people normally see relief from the migraines?
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Now, sometimes very fast, like after six weeks, they can see massive difference.
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I would see within four months or someone very different.
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And then for some people, it might take, you know, eight months up to a year.
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Given I welcome people who've had 60 years of migraine sometimes
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and you don't undo 60 years, not only of pain and memory of pain,
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but also 60 years of medication.
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Sometimes the toxins go very deep inside the body
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and we need to clean all of that from the liver system,
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from the blood, from the biome.
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I'm just thinking also that most people that I know that have migraines
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will say, I've been really tired, I've worn myself out
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and then I get a migraine or I'm stressed or whatnot.
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And again, that goes back to your gut health, right?
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Like what's everything is correlated and interrelated in our body.
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And it just manifests in different ways.
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And it makes, again, perfect sense.
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I'm so grateful for you to shine a light on this.
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I feel like we need to scream it from the rooftops because it seems so obvious
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of why aren't we talking about this in lots of different ways?
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So how can people find you and work with you and figure out,
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one, if they have migraines that need to be gone away
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and two, the bonus of fertility kicking in aside from that?
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Yes. So look, if you have fertility, delayed fertility and even headaches,
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get help because your headaches give the answer.
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Why is the fertility being delayed?
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It tells us in a very precise way where it comes from.
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So we have an app called the Migraine Heroes app,
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a beautiful podcast where women come and testify
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for an hour about their life and what it was before
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and how it transforms them, called the Migraine Heroes podcast.
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Currently, the website is mynectarhealth.com
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and will be transferred very soon to migraineheroes.com as well.
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And so you can take the test there and then we meet.
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Meeting is like really 90 minutes where I explain to you
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all of what's going on inside your body.
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It's only 30 US dollars.
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And that really allows, I think, the first step when you have migraine
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is really to understand what is going on.
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And when I have these beautiful conversations with these men,
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women and children, there's a big moment of relief.
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A lot of them sometimes also cry because they say, wow, you know,
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for 50 years, I've been looking for answers.
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And I am sure I understand.
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It's a very, very stressful situation for people that suffer
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from migraines. So I imagine that it's mind mind blowing and life changing.
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And you're very true.
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And there's a sense of sweetness and a sense of bitterness.
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The sweetness comes from, oh, my God, I feel different.
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My friends tell me I've lost weight, my skin's better, etc.
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But there's also a bitterness of, oh, my God, I've lost so much of my life.
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And therefore, that bittersweet really comes
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quite alive in the Migraine Heroes podcast where people say, look,
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I didn't wish that on anyone, you know, not on my enemy.
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And so, you know, I wish more people can trust this is actually feasible
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because the narrative is that it's a neurological disorder that a fifth of women have
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sort of, for the wrong reasons, pain, unexplained pain in their brain.
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And that the only way out is to mute it with medication.
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And that narrative will need to change.
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If you read scientific paper, you'll find a lot on the gut brain axis
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and saying, wait a minute, is that completely, is that a neurological disorder?
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Is that really a coincidence?
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If it's a fifth of women and it's genetic, does that even make sense?
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And so from a scientific perspective, you start to see a lot of people
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questioning, you know, what is, it's actually the first cause
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of disability worldwide under 50.
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Like, it's a really big deal, but it's not talked about
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because like you started the conversation, it has a stigma, a stigma of weakness.
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And because people don't, who don't suffer from them, don't understand them.
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It can be a very deft dialogue for years and decades with your friends
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and your family if they don't truly understand, you know, what we're talking about.
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And I'm sure it's one of those situations that once you're on the other side of it,
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you probably don't even realize how bad it was until you feel better, right?
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And you recognize, oh my gosh, how did I, how did I survive with this all those years?
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I had recently a woman who contacted me.
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She had dizziness eight out of 10, every single day.
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And we stopped it and she had no more migraine, no migraine attack.
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And then two years later, she texts me and she says,
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Diane, I've had a massive migraine attack and I forgot how awful it was.
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I don't even know how I used to live.
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And, and I asked her a couple of questions.
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I'm like, oh, it was a stomach bug.
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You know, you know, just, you know, clean your guts, take this food, that food.
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And then it's gone tomorrow and it was gone the day after.
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But indeed, it was even for her, taking her by surprise.
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Because the genes don't change.
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The gene still alerts for, hey, you've eaten something really wrong.
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Can you go fix it, please?
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But you know that, wow, how could I even stand up?
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How could I even go to work?
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A lot of people will lose their job and, and, you know, put, have a lot of strain on their couple.
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You know, experience compassion fatigue within their family too.
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So it's very, very, very intense for people.
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Really, really, you know, I really admire their,
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their complete warriors in their trenches trying to survive.
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And a small miracle, you know, to wake up every single day and start again.
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Hence the, the name Migraine Heroes.
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What a great name.
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Well, thank you so much for being here.
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This is an amazing, fascinating topic.
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I could talk for hours with you on this,
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but I appreciate you shedding light on this and,
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and offering an option for people to try something new.
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Thank you so much for having me.
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Thank you, Elizabeth.
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