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Welcome to the Migraine Heroes podcast, a podcast where we share real stories from real
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people suffering and battling with migraine disease.
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In this podcast, we seek to provide support, hope, holistic health, advocacy and inspiration
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for those who suffer from migraine disease.
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In this podcast, I exchange with Chris and Jessica.
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I first met Chris as I was coding the app and starting to code the backend to figure
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out which foods to allocate for whom.
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And Chris was patiently listening to me and patiently problem-solving with me how to structure
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As we were working together, Chris little by little puzzled that his wife, Jessica,
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was not just having random headaches that were more and more intense, but that she was
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most likely suffering from migraines.
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And in this podcast, we discuss how Jessica goes from an ectopic pregnancy when I meet
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with her to no more migraines and full fertility and is now 39 weeks pregnant as we discussed
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And as they are living the life, surfing on the East Coast of New Zealand, being from
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the U.S. and both having and embracing digital technologies and digital work, a warm welcome
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to Chris and Jessica.
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I am so, so happy to have you with me today.
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It's good to be here.
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Thanks for having us.
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So this is really special because I know both Chris and Jessica in very different ways.
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And so do you want to first share a bit with us who you are, where you live and where you're
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So we live in Ngamonganui in New Zealand.
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We're both American.
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We're from North Carolina on the East Coast of the U.S. and we've been here for about
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coming up on 10 years, actually.
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So we've been here, we came here on a holiday, six month holiday, and we've just kept extending
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I know it's been almost 10 years.
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Yeah, there's just the two of us over here.
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We've got most of our family back home, but we do actually have another member joining
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Jessica is pregnant.
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And so how many weeks are you, Jessica, now?
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39 plus some number of days.
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We massively thank Jessica for making it.
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I'm so, so glad we're able to do this.
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Thank you so much for taking the time.
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And so we have to precise, for the ones who are not New Zealanders and who are listening
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to us, you are living on the coast next to the ocean.
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Yeah, that's right.
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So we live in, I'll say it's sort of a smallish beach town slash city on the East Coast of
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And Jess and I are both big surfers, which is actually what brought us to New Zealand
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and why we always live by the coast.
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So it's a nice little town that we live in.
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You have quite the life.
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It's a very modern life.
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Can you comment on both of your activities?
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I think people will have an even better picture.
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So Chris, you code?
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I've got a background in development, doing development, which is actually how we've met.
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I'm not actually coding so much anymore.
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I'm doing more design work and that sort of thing.
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But yeah, that's kind of how I started my career, doing iPhone apps and kind of have
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stuck doing that, just shifted, I guess, my focus and what sort of problems I work on
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But yeah, it's always an exciting industry.
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The tech industry has a lot of different things happening and it's always changing and lots
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Completely, completely.
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My background is actually as a photographer.
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So I am a commercial photographer.
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I also, since COVID, picked up another, some more work doing content marketing.
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So I split my time between content marketing and doing some commercial photography work.
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Quite the modern couple, I have to say.
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I think I'm the coolest surfing in the beautiful part of the world and, you know, surfing the
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digital wave at the same time to be able to live whatever suits.
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So yeah, very modern life.
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I think a lot of the listeners really, you know, it will resonate and will make a few
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Chris, you and I met initially and we met, you know, in a development capacity.
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Do you want to comment a little bit on how that happened?
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I don't know if you remember roughly, you know, how we met and how we started to exchange.
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Yeah, I can speak to that.
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I do remember how we've met.
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It was through a freelancer website that I think you posted some sort of job ad looking
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I remember you said, I need a creative problem solver.
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And I saw that and I go, oh, that's me.
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I want to get in on that.
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So I immediately jumped on the ad knowing that it was going to be fun and interesting
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And yeah, I've kind of got a broad range of skills, which I enjoy employing in different
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So yeah, that's how I remember it.
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Is that how you remember it?
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So it was a platform called the Unicorn Factory, which Conor Finlayson had started.
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And it was in the early days of NoCode and he had set it up all in NoCode.
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I found him by coincidence and I was really happy with his work and his platform.
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And then indeed, I was trying to put a job title, but I didn't really know, okay, how
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to formulate this because this is quite unusual, we're going to be coding for food and migraines
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and I'm not quite sure how to position this.
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So I'm going to need someone who's very creative, very open-minded, has a lot of empathy, a
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lot of patience and a lot of kindness to hear all of the crazy stuff I have to say and the
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crazier stuff I have to ask.
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And so I remember that we hit it off pretty fast and then we worked together on multiple
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occasions for probably, I mean, months, if not a few years, right?
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It was probably a few years altogether, off and on for a few years.
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Because we would start on a project and then I would use it for a while and then we would
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make refinements and you would always have that incredible patience.
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So do you want to comment, and these are my recollections, and we would meet, yeah, during
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the day it was perfect because, you know, same time zone.
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And yeah, we would meet and I would explain to you the crazy things I had in my mind and
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you would help me structure them.
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I like how you put that.
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Because that is kind of what I enjoy doing is taking, trying to understand what people
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are saying and basically translate that into some sort of end result, whether that's through
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some like coding or no code or design work or something along those lines.
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It's just, yeah, taking the ambiguous and understanding it and massaging it and trying
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to make it a little bit more concrete.
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And yeah, you definitely threw some interesting things at me and, but yeah, it was fun.
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And very, it's really like tailor made because at that time I was given in certain systems
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and you were embracing them and you were also helping me build tools that I could use and,
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you know, press on certain buttons and trigger lists for women and observe them and also
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find them where I was using them.
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You know, you can do something that is, you can be asked something and just implement
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it, but then it doesn't really work because at the time I was also not really understanding
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So there was a lot of problem solving on, on you helping me clarify what was on my mind
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and you helping to make a solution that would fit inside, you know, my backend and would
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show up, you know, on, on the web app at the time later.
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That was, you know, yeah.
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And so I was extremely grateful because I really needed that patience, that handholding
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and that problem solving and someone to listen, not necessarily interrupt, but also restructure
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my thoughts, you know, with a lot of data in a very detailed way.
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And I think you did that remarkably.
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Oh, that's nice to hear.
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Because I, to be honest for me, it's just, just maybe how I operate, but it's nice to
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hear that it was what you needed at the time.
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I mean, at the time, there's a whole, hold on, because you're probably not aware on the
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latest development.
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We have an app store, wait a minute, we have an app in the app store on Apple podcast and
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on, um, on Google play and, uh, we have a whole system and what you've built is still
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It's still is your code.
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It's the last iterations that you've done.
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We've done probably three or four iterations together and not because as I was going forward,
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I was more understanding how to put those lists together.
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So for the background, I, you know, put this together for women who suffer from migraines
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and I was, uh, refining how to make them in the best way possible.
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So that's the, it's really smooth for the woman and she can have less and less migraines.
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And at the same time, it's hyper tailored to her.
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So as I was understanding my intellectual process, you would translate that into, you
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know, computer power, which I was really appreciative of.
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So if we give you one example, one of the things Chris helped me do was, you know, when
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I select foods, I need to filter out those foods that will counter medications, will
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mess up with medications.
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I need to respect the medication, leave it on the side.
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Once the woman is a lot better, she can herself with her doctor review the need for medication.
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My role is meanwhile to respect it and to function alongside by side peacefully.
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And so your algorithms were making that.
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And so, do you know, Chris, like to this day, it's still your algorithms inside still now.
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And still I use them every single day.
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If you remember that blue button I have, I click on that blue button every, you know,
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every, every, every day, actually multiple times a day.
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I'm sure we'll get into this, but I'm curious how that's been impacting the women that you
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I mean, in ways that are extraordinary, because, you know, when we met, I was at the beginning
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and I had success cases often, but not always.
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And part of it is sometimes you lose someone because things are difficult.
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And between WhatsApp and a web app, you know, things can be more clumsy.
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But now we're really at scale where every single day we get in the community of the
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app, in the chat of the app, like massive gratitude messages.
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So we have something called hashtag team victory.
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And so each time we have like a beautiful message inside the chat, we anonymize it and
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we share it among the team members.
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And that massively motivates everyone.
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And so, and so, yes, we've made more discoveries, but the way you structure the algorithms have
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allowed to welcome additional discoveries, so additional medications, additional conditions.
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The database, when we started had 56 foods, if you remember, it now has 700.
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And so we've been able to scale all of that with, you know, and it's really a moment of
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actually massive gratitude for being on my way in those moments, for listening, for taking
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me seriously, for when I was asking things that would not have made sense for most people,
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for acknowledging, you know, my work and the way my brain was functioning or asking you
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something and how you would translate it because it has by now had impact on, you know, probably
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at this stage about, you know, probably we're maybe at more than a thousand people and really
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profound way that changes their lives drastically.
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And so, and so it's really, really, really special.
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So from the bottom of my heart is also a moment of thank you and of gratitude because
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it's, it's still there.
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This is the core, you know, the rest, you know, yes, there's an app and yes, there's
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a community and yes, there's chats and there's all of these other things that allow us to
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Yes, the daily tracker is much, you know, with more data and more complete and we have
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even a migraine now button now, but at the core of everything is that first set of algorithms
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that we've written together and they still beat that drum while we expand foods, while
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we expand conditions, while we expand the number of crazy things that we've seen.
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And so, so it's a first, a huge shout out to say thank you and a shout out to your son.
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If you listen to that, your dad is or has changed the life of a lot of people on this
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planet and is about to do even more.
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So this is the context of our relationship and so there's just a massive gratitude and
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if you're listening to that, if you've benefited our services, some of you really owe it to,
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I mean, all of you owe it to Chris because Chris has had that patient, those listening
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skills that I would say most, certainly the vast majority of developers are not necessarily
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equipped with or is not there for it.
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Wow, that's really nice.
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That's really nice to hear.
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Yeah, I really mean it.
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And so, so we worked together for quite a bit of time.
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I don't know, like first set of a couple of weeks or months and then, then I said,
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oh, Chris, I need to work with those algorithms and see, would I say the same as the computer
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would say and help and support me and then we find them and then we would iterate.
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Then after the second or third, maybe even fourth iterations, you started to talk about
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your wife, like in the, maybe the second or third iteration, you started to talk about
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Jessica and then one day you said, I think you should see my wife.
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That went through your mind?
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I mean, you speak to this a little bit more detail, but yeah, I mean, cause you were having
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some headaches, right.
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And they were, they were off and on and eventually it started becoming more and more common.
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And I think that was what it was.
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I actually can't remember exactly, but you know, from my understanding, I didn't really
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know anything about migraines until working with you.
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And the more that you were, you were teaching me about migraines, the more and more I was
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just reflecting on that and kind of going, oh, I wonder if Jess actually is having migraines
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and it's not just a headache that pops up every now and then, you know, became more
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And eventually, I mean, I'll let you speak to this.
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I think there was a, there was probably, I work with people that kind of just like denies
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being like sick or like, I'm fine.
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This is like, I'm fine.
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It's not a big deal.
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So I think there was a few things that was maybe going on and he probably was getting
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really tired of hearing me complain about it.
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But there was a, I think when you guys started talking.
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No, I mean, honestly, if I got just a second, I will interrupt here.
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No, you should never complain about it.
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With migraine disease, we only have each other to make a difference.
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If you know of someone suffering from migraine attacks, share this podcast with them.
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Also, just like in your work, Chris, I think you took a lot of consideration on, let me
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fully hear what she says.
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Let's me iterate this.
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Yes, it is what it says.
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Like I think, you know, before drawing that conclusion, you waited to have enough data
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points on, oh, I see all of the symptoms.
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Yes, this is, this is very similar to what is the, so yeah.
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So no, he was not bored and he was not, you know.
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I mean, I was complaining and I think he was kind of picking up on that.
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But I think, yeah, there was a couple of things going on and I think right around the time
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that you both started working together, do you remember what year that was?
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Yeah, it was around then.
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I was kind of going, experiencing burnout from having tried to start a business and
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then, you know, everything and like all of my energy burnt myself out to the ground.
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And then the roll on effects of that started to catch up with me.
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And so there was, I think there was when we, when we decided to stop operating that business,
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I was having, every day I had to like lay on the floor from like starting at like 1
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PM because my head hurts so bad, my head and neck hurts so bad.
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I could not, yeah, I just couldn't function.
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And so that's probably where it started from because I couldn't socialize, I couldn't do
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anything that was really impacting me and I never had that before.
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It was like, it was like what seemed like would be a headache.
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And then eventually it became to a point where it was actually like affecting your day to
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And it was like my, it was like my neck and my eyes and everything.
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And I had started off going to a chiropractor and that, that took the edge off of it to
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I think I'd been seeing the chiropractor for a year by the time I started to see you, Dan.
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And so that helped start kind of kick things off.
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And then when we saw, when I started seeing you, it was because I had just, we had an
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ectopic pregnancy and I got put on antibiotics and I had some, my body just reacted not well
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So it was, and I was still having headaches.
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My headaches had been better.
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I wasn't getting them every single day, but I'd probably get them at least three to four
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times a week and varying, you know, degrees or severity.
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So yeah, I, that was kind of the triggering part.
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Like I had, I knew what you had, were doing, but I was having, I think that was a true,
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the triggering point for me to kind of like, yeah, because it was causing a skin problems.
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I still had my headaches and it was still affecting my day to day kind of.
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I do remember from you, a lot of fatigue, skin, and then a lot of fogginess and a really
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Remember you were very, very exhausted.
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Very exhausted, very tired.
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And I couldn't, I still couldn't really socialize.
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Like I could socialize a little bit, but it just took so much out of me.
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I remember, and this is a long time ago, so I still have you in my mind.
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I remember for you, socializing was a huge trigger indeed.
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And then flying was also a huge trigger.
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Because I remember prepping you to go on a trip to visit your family in the US.
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You were really doing that.
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And I knew that we would get you quite ready, but you would also get a bit depleted from
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those two triggers for a sustained amount of time.
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So both the flying and the socializing.
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But you ended up doing quite decent.
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I think I did get a, I like, I had a little, I think I'd only been working with you for
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about a month when we left to go to the States.
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So I did get a headache, but it wasn't that bad.
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And I had the Goji berries.
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I brought Goji berries with me to have the Goji berry party and was able to kind of make
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And then I remember when we came back, I didn't get a headache at all on the way back.
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And I mean, I think like Chris says, I think, you know, initially when you started, you
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were having headaches.
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When we met you, it was pretty intense and it was very often.
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I think women oftentimes really, really decrease their pain.
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The one thing, you know, in the test, I asked how many migraine attacks do you suffer a
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And he replied, I don't know, two or three.
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Then you see like 20 different ones there.
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He's, you know, a mild headache, if not above.
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And so I've learned over the years to discard that stat, clearly that I'm paying it or not
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self-aware because the pain is so present.
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She's trying not to focus on it too much.
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But I do remember that you were, you know, quite a lot of pain and that sort of fogginess
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and tiredness and therefore the mood, you know, lower if you're really tired and you
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can't socialize well, you know, it quite impacts you physically.
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And Chris being so caring was quite, you know, sad about the situation because it's hard,
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you know, if you can't help your spouse, you feel a bit nervous, but also a bit helpless
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I would agree with that.
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I mean, it's hard, right?
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It's like you're frustrated and you can't help, so you have empathy, but it's, you don't
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And so I remember when he connected the dots, I was like, oh yeah, that would, yes, that
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would be what I do.
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That's exactly right.
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And what I loved in that moment is that you, I mean, it brought us even, I would say, further
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together, Chris, because now you could really understand and follow the process and see
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the result of your work directly on your wife, which, trust me, no one, we're the only
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one in the world who has that.
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That was really cool, actually being able to see the total other side of it because
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you and I had always been working in, you know, the back end and what actually happens,
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I'll say, under the hood a little bit.
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And then I got to see, yeah, the complete other side of it day to day, you know, day
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in, day out, what was happening, the foods that she was eating and how, yeah, using the
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tracker, using the app on the phone, on your phone and just the progress that you were
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It was really cool.
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It was really, really cool.
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It's quite special.
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And so you're in a very unique position.
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That's why when you texted me, I thought, oh, I'd love to have your voice because you've
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been such a key component of everything.
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And you know, and of all of that stars, and I tell you, it's still there, it still beats
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the drum and it still, you know, changes a lot of lives like the one of Jess and a lot
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of women are pregnant, unfortunately, with really good and really stable pregnancies,
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very peaceful ones too.
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And so, yeah, so that was really, really special.
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And you went reasonably fast.
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I can't remember exactly.
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We had a bit of a longer tail end, but reasonably fast.
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I think we worked together for like eight months because it was like, I think it was
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maybe either August to May or something like that.
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And look, you get a lot of results fast and then sometimes you search for a few last answers
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and we've become really good at finding things very fast, but sometimes you're like, okay,
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there's something missing.
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There's still something that's making a bit of noise.
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Oh, and I remember, I remember I got COVID during that time as well.
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So I was navigating that after, and then that kind of set me back because that was like...
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You remember back in the days in the app, there was the habits and the triggers.
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And now we have added something called the regressors and COVID is a regressor and we're
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telling women, look, if you catch COVID or a cold or a flu, or you have a toxic bust
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or, you know, please let us know immediately as these things will slow you down.
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And so we want to always go as fast as we can.
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We always like, we try to be fast and faster and so try to intervene immediately.
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And so now we're like, okay, if that happens to you, inform us immediately and we change
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your lists to adapt to that, to hopefully, you know, like circumvent it and not get into
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And I also remember the first food list that you put me on was like the blood list and
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that I felt it was like an immediate, like energizer and I did it, I was after a week,
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I was like, wow, I feel so good eating these foods.
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Which is therefore, I don't know how you felt it, but therefore a lot harder if you catch
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COVID later because you're like, oh my God, I felt so good and now I'm back to square
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Yeah, that's right.
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And it feels quite, that's also why we put the regressors.
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We're like, well, you're going to feel like you're square one.
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You're not technically because you'd bounce back a lot faster, but still we have to take
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that seriously and help you through.
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And if you hadn't done it, chances are you would have gone backwards by a lot.
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And this is how people go from episodic to chronic for many.
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And then you decided to start a family.
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I'm going to jump forward, but this is where I'm like going in unknown territory.
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We can edit if we need to.
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But how did that come about?
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Well, I think, okay, so obviously my health hadn't been that great before I started working
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And I didn't really quite realize how bad it was until, until I started working with
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And it kind of made me more aware of like, because when you do that tracker every day,
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it really forces you to consider how you're feeling instead of just like glazing over
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it just so you can get through the day.
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And so it really forced me to take time to consider where I was at and to work on that.
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And from that journey, I really did see an improvement in the way that I was feeling.
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And I think it was just a matter of like, when do we finish?
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We finished in 2023, April, May 2023 together, I think.
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And then I went on a trip to Japan, which was a bucket list trip for myself that I wanted
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And it kind of was like, like I got well enough to be able to do this trip.
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And then like from there I was like, okay, I don't know how to describe it, but that
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was sort of like the catalyst, I'd say.
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And I think, I mean, we always had plans to do it one day.
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It was always a one day sort of thing.
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I'm like, oh, we'll do that.
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You know, we'll do that one day.
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And then you mentioned the ectopic.
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I think that was the first time where, and that was totally unexpected because we weren't
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And I don't know how personal you want to get here, but there was, you know, we were
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on a proper IUD, so it was never meant to happen.
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And it did happen.
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And I think during that period, it kind of made us just reflect a bit like, you know,
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are we sad that we didn't have a baby coming?
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And then I think that's when it kind of, it opened the door a little bit for us.
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And it was like, okay, let's do this Japan trip.
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Let's, you're working on your health.
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So kind of those things got ironed out.
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And I think following Japan, it was like, all right, let's see what happens now.
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And I love that you did that.
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I think those things are so, so, so important.
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And I think, you know, through the work that we do and thanks to you, Kristen, thanks to
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you and Jessica, because by, you know, each time we were working with women, we were improving
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the way you were working.
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We got really good with fertility and I always encourage women, I'm like, hold off, hold
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Just a little bit.
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The moment I give you a green light, you're pregnant, just that it's a stable pregnancy.
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No one needs, you know, like to go through difficult times.
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And I love that you took that time for yourself to, you know, being a mom is a huge transition.
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If you've had your mom back at least, and your mom immune, and you have your body by
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your side, you know, everything's just so much smoother.
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And I thought, I think just from seeing some friends go through pregnancy, I was aware
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how much of a toll it takes on your body.
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And so, yeah, I really wanted to make sure that I was as healthy as I could be.
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Plus I'd had surgery for the ectopic, so just making sure I was like really recovered from
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Yeah, completely, which we would have done because I always work on that, like always,
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like the uterus needs to be a temple of love and blood and needs to always be cushy and
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comfortable for the woman to have a beautiful face, age really beautifully, you know, have
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a place of vulnerability for us.
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So like, you know, keeping things in order for, you know, whenever we decided to be parents
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or just for ourselves that, you know, we carry health for really long.
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And so how was your pregnancy so far?
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Yeah, it's been, I feel, I honestly feel so grateful and lucky because I have had a really
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It's been, you know, I had a little bit of morning sickness at the start, minor, I actually
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ended up getting COVID again at the start of my pregnancy.
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And the only time I was like throwing up was, was when I had COVID, so, but once I caught
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up through that, I have, it's been smooth sailing.
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So yeah, I've been feeling pretty good in my body.
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You know, a little bit of aches and pains, but I worked with my same chiropractor and
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she just, she's got like spidey senses and she just looks at you and she's like, we need
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I can see what we need to do.
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And just like, just a little tweak here and a little tweak there.
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You know what we do for our listeners, for the ones who are in your region, we add her
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contact details in case someone's in your region.
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Natural Chiropractic is her.
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As a thank you for all of the beautiful work.
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And I think, you know, I think having some sort of like body worker in that way, because
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your body is changing so much and just like to make sure that it's like your body's in
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alignment and that's facilitating you to have like the best transition.
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Your skull is changing.
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Everything's changing.
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So yeah, that is really, that's, that's probably my number one thing that's helped me so much.
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And otherwise I just, I don't know, it's just been like, yeah, pretty smooth I'd say.
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So pretty and so beautiful.
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You know, like if for the listeners who can't see Jess, like she has a glow, she's gorgeous
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Your hair is gorgeous.
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If you hadn't told me you're not pregnant at 39 weeks, you could still see it.
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And I just, I would have no idea.
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Oh, that's beautiful.
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That's really, really beautiful.
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So what are, well, I mean, the plans, I guess, are quite, you know, settled a bit for the
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time being and becoming a family.
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We don't have any major plans at this point.
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We do have some family coming, coming over to visit, which will be nice.
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And I'm sure we'll appreciate the support as well.
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And yeah, we're just going to be trying to make the most of the transition that we're
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about to go through.
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Oh, that's so sweet.
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Doing the most of maternity leave.
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But as early as well I can.
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Well, look, I want to say just a huge thank you from the bottom of my heart for you two,
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for you three, just being who you are and being such great listeners, you know, listeners
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of each other and of your buddies, of your own selves.
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And then for accepting the challenge, Chris, a couple of years ago to work together and
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to beat that drum.
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It was quite special from this end.
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So it's a huge thank you.
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I mean, we've enjoyed it as well.
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I know we said this already at the start, but it was fun being part of that journey.
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And it was also great to see the other side of it.
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And thank you for what you've done for us and for Jess and getting things back on track
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No more headaches.
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It is better without.
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But meanwhile, it's useful.
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Meanwhile, I find it really, really useful.
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It's a tool for longevity.
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And I have recently found a great article from a professor at Harvard called Elizabeth
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And she talks about how it's a gene that is part of evolution for a reason.
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And she poses a couple of hypotheses on how protective that gene is for population.
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And that's why so many people who carry that gene survived for millions of years is because
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And so I think in your case, your buddy was saying, hey, enough with the fatigue, enough
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with the fogginess, enough with the lack of socializing, like just, you know, please take
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And one of my friends, she said, your children are your best teachers.
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And I think before they come to the world, they try to teach us all the lesson is like,
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hey, if you're going to take care of me, can you please make sure you take care of yourself?
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It's like those airplane commercials or, you know, where they're like, put your, you got
[33:17]
to put your own air mask on first in order to help other people.
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And that's so true.
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This is really the first step, you know, in we're becoming moms before we even are pregnant.
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It's like just preparing the whole, everything so that things can be smooth and nice and
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happy just the way you have a glow and are ready to welcome, you know, a new life in
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Well, a huge thank you to you three.
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And we look forward to, I look forward to the picture and the reveal of it.
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We look forward to sharing it, so we'll keep you posted.
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Thanks a lot, Diane.
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